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post Apr 23, 2004 - 8:58 AM
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Whats the deal with these cars steering? Its like when you go around a corner on a wet road and the wheel is turned to a certain point the car wants to slide. Its also very hard to feel the road with these things, the steering is pretty tight but its hard too and you cant feel when your tires are starting to break loose. When my g/f got her GT she almost crashed it getting off the highway when the roads were wet. She just turned the wheel alittle and the thing started sliding and the rear end broke loose also. You cant feel the road at all with this car, i even have 17's with low pro performance tires and you still cant feel crap. Anyone else find this out about yours? It does handle really well but the steering is alittle funky...what do you think?


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post Apr 25, 2004 - 12:21 AM
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QUOTE (KAMiX @ Apr 25, 2004 - 2:19 AM)
Bufferdan I think you are crazy. The understeer in our cars is awesome, I know within a mm of how far i can push before i lose it. I am always getting a bit of front slide happening through the wet hill drives, you just need to know when to accelerate.

What you are talking about will NOT happen if you don't have your foot on the gas. And only when you are in a certain zone when your wheels are excessively turned and you are going a certain speed (accelerating at about 25 kph). You are talking about spinning your front wheel (inside) or wheels in the wet which then causes understeer... it's usually the inside one because bodyroll will lift it up... this happens because you have carried too much speed into the corner and are oversteering to get out of it.

I think you're a bit confused. I read your post again... and yeah... you have the 2 mixed up slightly. First off... Understeer, although can be fun... is terrible in racing. You want to understeer as little as possible... cause understeer forces you to slow down. If not... the more you accelerate during and understeer... the more you will understeer. As for correcting understeer... well... that's where skill comes in. If you change the steering and let off the gas... you spin. FF cars are very forgiving... and still... you'll spin. It's even worse with FR and MR. The only way to correct understeer, is to ride it out while slowing down and/or slowdown before the turn and avoid it all together. You don't want to overcorrect to fix the understeer... because then you'll still have to be accelerating to keep the car in control. On a FF car... it's very very hard to fix underteer with acceleration and overcorrection. At higher speeds... that will most likely cause more understeer. Anyways... the techniques I mention are for high-speed track runs, and you shouldn't even come close to those situations. If you do... I hope it's not on a public street.


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Posts in this topic
- bufferdan   Sliding on wet roads?   Apr 23, 2004 - 8:58 AM
- - Digndoug   I would first tell you an your g/f to learn how to...   Apr 23, 2004 - 9:52 AM
- - subsolo_21   I have the same prob and I have 17's w/ low pr...   Apr 23, 2004 - 9:52 AM
- - bufferdan   First of all..Both I and her have 6G celica's....   Apr 23, 2004 - 10:00 AM
- - bufferdan   QUOTE (subsolo_21 @ Apr 23, 2004 - 2:52 PM) I have...   Apr 23, 2004 - 10:02 AM
- - shid   I have never run into this problem.   Apr 23, 2004 - 11:20 AM
- - turboinduction   well i've driven REAL sports cars many times. ...   Apr 23, 2004 - 11:57 AM
- - bufferdan   She wasnt accelerating into the corner..her foot w...   Apr 23, 2004 - 12:18 PM
- - Junior   QUOTE She has new Michelin Energy MXV4 Plus tires ...   Apr 23, 2004 - 2:21 PM
- - Sirius   Perhaps there is some excessive play in the steeri...   Apr 23, 2004 - 2:42 PM
- - x_itchy_b_x   haahaha this happend to me today. screwed um my ca...   Apr 23, 2004 - 2:47 PM
- - bufferdan   QUOTE (Sirius @ Apr 23, 2004 - 7:42 PM) Perhaps th...   Apr 23, 2004 - 3:11 PM
- - Silver94CelicaOwner   I ran my dads old '87 Mazda B2200 off a wet ro...   Apr 23, 2004 - 3:14 PM
- - Junior   QUOTE If you pay 180$ for each 15in tire then...   Apr 23, 2004 - 3:35 PM
- - Sirius   QUOTE (bufferdan @ Apr 23, 2004 - 8:11 PM) MY g/f...   Apr 23, 2004 - 6:14 PM
- - playr158   its called UNDERSTEER, typical of all front wheel ...   Apr 23, 2004 - 6:19 PM
- - ghostdog   I know what he's talking about. I used to have...   Apr 23, 2004 - 6:38 PM
- - Digndoug   ok, guys its called learning to drive your car... ...   Apr 23, 2004 - 7:41 PM
- - bufferdan   QUOTE (Sirius @ Apr 23, 2004 - 11:14 PM) QUOTE (bu...   Apr 23, 2004 - 7:59 PM
- - Digndoug   QUOTE (bufferdan @ Apr 24, 2004 - 12:59 AM) Anywa...   Apr 23, 2004 - 8:01 PM
- - bufferdan   Understeer...I guess thats what you can call it......   Apr 23, 2004 - 8:08 PM
- - JDM7afe   know your cars limits, i know all 4 tires can slid...   Apr 23, 2004 - 8:12 PM
- - bufferdan   QUOTE (JDM7afe @ Apr 24, 2004 - 1:12 AM) know your...   Apr 23, 2004 - 8:20 PM
- - bufferdan   BTW...the tires on my celica were about 130$ ...   Apr 23, 2004 - 8:23 PM
- - Clipsetuner   Yeah Just sayin I had the Same Problem expect I le...   Apr 23, 2004 - 8:28 PM
- - JDM7afe   QUOTE They are nice tires i have to say but not an...   Apr 23, 2004 - 8:41 PM
- - bufferdan   QUOTE (JDM7afe @ Apr 24, 2004 - 1:41 AM) QUOTE The...   Apr 23, 2004 - 11:05 PM
- - Kwanza26   Heh... honestly now guys... you need to re-think y...   Apr 24, 2004 - 12:58 AM
- - bufferdan   i drive this car slow...the freaking thing bearly ...   Apr 24, 2004 - 1:49 AM
- - aaronc222   I don't know what kind of Kumho's you have...   Apr 24, 2004 - 11:26 AM
- - Kwanza26   QUOTE (aaronc222 @ Apr 24, 2004 - 4:26 PM) As far ...   Apr 24, 2004 - 11:34 AM
- - 97GTinKC   The Michelin Pilots that came on my 97GT were terr...   Apr 24, 2004 - 12:26 PM
- - bufferdan   QUOTE (aaronc222 @ Apr 24, 2004 - 4:26 PM) I don...   Apr 24, 2004 - 12:31 PM
- - aaronc222   QUOTE (bufferdan @ Apr 24, 2004 - 1:31 PM) Im gett...   Apr 24, 2004 - 2:13 PM
- - Kwanza26   QUOTE (aaronc222 @ Apr 24, 2004 - 7:13 PM) As for ...   Apr 24, 2004 - 3:16 PM
- - KAMiX   Kwanza you are wrong mate, you can get them out wi...   Apr 24, 2004 - 9:19 PM
- - macavely   New Wet/Dry Tires   Apr 24, 2004 - 10:13 PM
- - Kwanza26   QUOTE (KAMiX @ Apr 25, 2004 - 2:19 AM) Kwanza...   Apr 24, 2004 - 11:23 PM
- - acidbyte7   thread was too long to read through but i don...   Apr 24, 2004 - 11:58 PM
- - Kwanza26   QUOTE (KAMiX @ Apr 25, 2004 - 2:19 AM) Bufferdan I...   Apr 25, 2004 - 12:21 AM
- - Sirius   QUOTE (bufferdan @ Apr 24, 2004 - 12:59 AM) 180...   Apr 25, 2004 - 4:35 AM


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