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RSX-S Vs Celica 7A-FTE, gonna happen soon........

Aug 12, 2004 - 7:23 AM
doGGy View Member Profile Enthusiast Joined Oct 28, '02 From Europe, Lithuania Currently Offline Reputation: 8 (100%)	well, my best friend bought RSX-S (preveusly he drove Civic SiR b16A). So now we got in a talk who would win - my Celica with Turbo kit or RSX-S?? What do you think guys... Im planing to run about 160-180 hp with my Celi. His RSX MAY BE still stock, maybe some basic mods (CAI, Exhaust and etc)... So, i was just thinking, maybe i should ask you turbo guys who raced the Trex, maybe you will give some sugestions... Thanks.. P.S. Race will be on 1/4 mile road. This post has been edited by doGGy: Aug 12, 2004 - 7:24 AM -------------------- Ex celica owner - just a guy from other side of the pond... Full custom Projects from restoration to performance builds <<<<<< DCw / JDMart >>>>>>>

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Sep 8, 2004 - 8:08 PM

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QUOTE (97sccelica @ Sep 8, 2004 - 5:56 PM)

QUOTE (phaqgm @ Sep 8, 2004 - 11:39 AM)

QUOTE (97sccelica @ Aug 18, 2004 - 6:23 PM)

QUOTE (SoundSlut_dotcom @ Aug 18, 2004 - 11:20 AM)

i now becuz my girl has one

ever been in an ST-T?

the type S is quick, and has huge gains from IHE

but not enough to beat a ST-T if you run a ~8psi and unbolt the exhaust before the cat.

Are you sure about that? I know of RSX-S's that run 13's with hondata/I/H/E. They are quick. I used to have a 6GC ST that would've been ass raped by my 7th gen GT-S. Trust me, I have much love for the 6g Celicas, but I don't think he will beat the RSX-S. They give me stiff competition, and I run mid 14's.

you would be very hard pressed to find a guy who has his modded rsx s running 13's on street tires.

i've raced a type s with my wrx back when it was bone stock, i would just leave the line quickly, and this guy didnt even bother with trying to take off fast(he didnt want to spin his tires)

he had intake, exhaust and no cat. it was loud, smelled, emmitted a little smoke when vtec kicked in and was quick

not until i was half way through 3rd would he catch up and slowly pass(~80mph)

btw, for those that dont know, 3rd gear in a stock WRX is a weak gear. thats where the ECU does the most boost drop off(14psi down to 7psi) and the 3 cats really bring down the efficiency of the turbo.

im not saying they are not fast little cars, its just that i know for a fact, that an ST-T is faster when at 8psi and open exhaust. i ran my ST-T at 3psi the day i completed the install and had it running properly

i adjusted the wastegatge rod so that it would only run 3psi and drove around open down pipe

boost hit at 2krpm with my t3 turbo, and it hit hard.

i took each of the 3 friends that helped me for a test ride, and on one test ride, i nailed it half way through 1st and in the shift to second the wheels broke loose, at only 3psi

then when i had the dp connected the the stock mid pipe i drove around for a while. and thats the time i raced the rsx s. from the midpipe back i had stock exhaust, including the cat. i was running 7psi on a cold night. caught up to him cuz he cut me off, and passed him like i said in an earlier post. from what i saw it definately had exhaust.

that was also the night i realised i was fuel cutting at full boost, i logged the SAFC and found that the map was reading positive presure, which when that happens, the ecu cuts fuel, bad for the engine, bad for acceleration.

btw my ST was automatic.

so, like i said, run 8psi, open exhuast(at the dp if possible) and practise launching in a way to take advantage of the ST's torquey first gear gearing, letting boost hit to give even better acceleration and then wind it through the gears keeping it in a gear as long as possible to take advantage of the wider powerband

you cant really compair a 3sgte to a 7afte. the 3s swap makes a lot of power, enough to the point where with street tires and an open diff, you will have lots of wheelspin problems in the 1/4 mile.

its not easy to pull off the times a turbo fwd car is capable of. my car was very easy to launch, power brake till boost builds to peak, and side step the brake.

with a 5spd, it will take some finesse, but its still easier to launch than an rsx type s which has no balls in 1st gear what so ever, and the only way to get good acceleration in 1st is to launch at a pretty high rpm and feather the gas, but that is hard to do, and can easily blow the race.

Great reply!

OK, we all just need to stop bench racing and find out what really happens/happend.

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doGGy RSX-S Vs Celica 7A-FTE Aug 12, 2004 - 7:23 AM

Supersprynt Thats a huge increase for the ST engine, dyno it a... Aug 12, 2004 - 7:40 AM

doGGy QUOTE (Supersprynt @ Aug 12, 2004 - 5:40 AM) Thats... Aug 12, 2004 - 7:59 AM

macavely i think its going to be close.. doggy your 7afe is... Aug 12, 2004 - 8:27 AM

doGGy QUOTE (macavely @ Aug 12, 2004 - 6:27 AM) i think ... Aug 12, 2004 - 8:33 AM

Supersprynt Exactly "almost instant" whereas he has ... Aug 12, 2004 - 9:04 AM

nik i think you can take him doggy Aug 12, 2004 - 9:51 AM

hyp3rk1d agreed.. I think ud take it Aug 12, 2004 - 10:17 AM

Coomer I think it'll be a close race. Is the RSX-S co... Aug 12, 2004 - 10:54 AM

BlackSTX QUOTE (Supersprynt @ Aug 12, 2004 - 7:04 AM) Exact... Aug 12, 2004 - 12:00 PM

Coomer QUOTE (BlackSTX @ Aug 12, 2004 - 10:00 AM) QUOTE (... Aug 12, 2004 - 12:02 PM

urbandork QUOTE(Coomer @ Aug 12, 2004 - 5:02 PM)QUOTE(B... May 19, 2005 - 1:23 AM

Digndoug I know that wight isnt to much of in issue, but an... Aug 12, 2004 - 1:02 PM

vangSTa_celica $5 on Dogfather... Aug 12, 2004 - 2:40 PM

nik i'll put my money on doggy http://www.todarac... Aug 12, 2004 - 3:03 PM

Kwanza26 You'll get spanked... ;] Now for a story... w... Aug 12, 2004 - 5:46 PM

hyp3rk1d lots of torque tho... Aug 12, 2004 - 8:07 PM

Jeremy1210 yeah the torque will help. The lack of torque that... Aug 12, 2004 - 8:23 PM

Coomer Have you guys ever driven an RSX-S? The lack of to... Aug 12, 2004 - 8:31 PM

Kwanza26 QUOTE (Jeremy1210 @ Aug 13, 2004 - 1:23 AM) yeah t... Aug 12, 2004 - 8:35 PM

Coomer You guys should read this. It's got some reall... Aug 12, 2004 - 8:41 PM

Kwanza26 QUOTE (Coomer @ Aug 13, 2004 - 1:41 AM) You guys s... Aug 12, 2004 - 8:50 PM

doGGy well, that RSX mostly will be stock, (maybe somthi... Aug 13, 2004 - 1:06 AM

neoklis Doggy i have faith in you Aug 13, 2004 - 1:23 AM

doGGy QUOTE (neoklis @ Aug 12, 2004 - 11:23 PM) Doggy i ... Aug 13, 2004 - 1:51 AM

97sccelica lol i raced an RSX type S that was lightly modded... Aug 13, 2004 - 2:30 AM

hyp3rk1d There we go, I was just waiting to here a kill sto... Aug 13, 2004 - 9:02 AM

boosted_K2 i think you may win because he will be unfamiliar ... Aug 13, 2004 - 9:56 AM

nik OK thats it tonight i'm going to meet up with ... Aug 13, 2004 - 10:14 AM

Coomer QUOTE (nik @ Aug 13, 2004 - 8:14 AM) OK thats it t... Aug 13, 2004 - 10:19 AM

nik 7psi but i'm turning it up to 8 for the race ... Aug 13, 2004 - 10:22 AM

97sccelica good luck nik Aug 13, 2004 - 8:03 PM

hyp3rk1d got the vid yet Aug 14, 2004 - 9:57 AM

o8poa8o o yea post the what happens in here or in the OT, ... Aug 14, 2004 - 8:28 PM

Jeremy1210 QUOTE Grrr... I just gotta keep explaining shiat t... Aug 15, 2004 - 1:16 PM

sinner96ST RSX-S rules. my buddy has one with an aftermarket... Aug 15, 2004 - 2:45 PM

97Celica QUOTE (sinner96ST @ Aug 15, 2004 - 2:45 PM) RSX-S ... Aug 15, 2004 - 2:58 PM

sinner96ST QUOTE (97Celica @ Aug 15, 2004 - 12:58 PM) QUOTE (... Aug 15, 2004 - 3:00 PM

o8poa8o sinner what kind of mod's does the rsx-s have?... Aug 15, 2004 - 3:07 PM

sinner96ST QUOTE (o8poa8o @ Aug 15, 2004 - 1:07 PM) sinner wh... Aug 15, 2004 - 3:21 PM

Marchius well well, doGGy, when I can come and see the race... Aug 15, 2004 - 3:36 PM

o8poa8o yea a well driven ls1 fbody should be in the mid-h... Aug 15, 2004 - 4:47 PM

Kwanza26 QUOTE (o8poa8o @ Aug 15, 2004 - 9:47 PM) yea a wel... Aug 16, 2004 - 12:48 AM

Magic Kwanza26 i dont think that its possible for a car... Aug 16, 2004 - 1:01 AM

Coomer QUOTE (Kwanza26 @ Aug 15, 2004 - 10:48 PM) QUOTE (... Aug 16, 2004 - 1:03 AM

sinner96ST QUOTE (Magic @ Aug 15, 2004 - 11:01 PM) Kwanza26 ... Aug 16, 2004 - 1:12 AM

Kwanza26 QUOTE (Coomer @ Aug 16, 2004 - 6:03 AM) There... Aug 16, 2004 - 1:31 AM

97sccelica QUOTE (Magic @ Aug 15, 2004 - 10:01 PM) Kwanz... Aug 16, 2004 - 1:33 AM

97sccelica QUOTE (Kwanza26 @ Aug 15, 2004 - 10:31 PM) Have yo... Aug 16, 2004 - 1:46 AM

doGGy HAHAHAH guys this tread is growing quickly Well, ... Aug 16, 2004 - 2:26 AM

nik *UPDATE* Well my race is on hold my friend just go... Aug 16, 2004 - 8:52 AM

97sccelica QUOTE (nik @ Aug 16, 2004 - 5:52 AM) *UPDATE*... Aug 16, 2004 - 11:57 AM

nik not to much 50 for now i need to gut my cat i runn... Aug 16, 2004 - 12:05 PM

97sccelica QUOTE (nik @ Aug 16, 2004 - 9:05 AM) not to much 5... Aug 16, 2004 - 12:32 PM

nik QUOTE (97sccelica @ Aug 16, 2004 - 10:32 AM) QUOTE... Aug 16, 2004 - 12:42 PM

o8poa8o QUOTE (Kwanza26 @ Aug 16, 2004 - 6:31 AM) I'll... Aug 16, 2004 - 4:13 PM

hyp3rk1d Yea 97 quick Q.. Did you retard your timing at all... Aug 16, 2004 - 8:55 PM

97sccelica QUOTE (hyp3rk1d @ Aug 16, 2004 - 5:55 PM) Yea... Aug 16, 2004 - 11:31 PM

97sccelica QUOTE (nik @ Aug 16, 2004 - 9:42 AM) QUOTE (97scce... Aug 16, 2004 - 11:35 PM

97sccelica QUOTE (nik @ Aug 16, 2004 - 9:42 AM) QUOTE (97scce... Aug 16, 2004 - 11:37 PM

nik QUOTE (97sccelica @ Aug 16, 2004 - 9:37 PM) QUOTE ... Aug 17, 2004 - 11:09 AM

hyp3rk1d nik whats your timing set at? Aug 17, 2004 - 12:45 PM

nik QUOTE (hyp3rk1d @ Aug 17, 2004 - 10:45 AM) nik wha... Aug 17, 2004 - 1:43 PM

97sccelica yes, follow zipstrip's instructions right now... Aug 17, 2004 - 10:59 PM

nik QUOTE (97sccelica @ Aug 17, 2004 - 8:59 PM) yes, f... Aug 18, 2004 - 10:01 AM

SoundSlut_dotcom no hard feelings doggy, but that rsx s is going to... Aug 18, 2004 - 2:20 PM

SoundSlut_dotcom i now becuz my girl has one Aug 18, 2004 - 2:20 PM

97sccelica QUOTE (SoundSlut_dotcom @ Aug 18, 2004 - 11:20 AM)... Aug 18, 2004 - 8:23 PM

BlackSTX Is this race ever gonna happen? Sep 8, 2004 - 8:02 AM

phaqgm QUOTE (97sccelica @ Aug 18, 2004 - 6:23 PM) QUOTE ... Sep 8, 2004 - 2:39 PM

redtcel QUOTE (phaqgm @ Sep 8, 2004 - 7:39 PM) QUOTE (97sc... Sep 8, 2004 - 5:52 PM

FallenHero not to mention his 7a is more powerful than ours. Sep 8, 2004 - 6:10 PM

phaqgm QUOTE (redtcel @ Sep 8, 2004 - 3:52 PM) QUOTE... Sep 8, 2004 - 6:24 PM

gtf0ur 10 bucks on doggy Sep 8, 2004 - 7:22 PM

97sccelica QUOTE (phaqgm @ Sep 8, 2004 - 11:39 AM) QUOTE (97s... Sep 8, 2004 - 7:56 PM

phaqgm QUOTE (97sccelica @ Sep 8, 2004 - 5:56 PM) QUOTE (... Sep 8, 2004 - 8:08 PM

97sccelica i wish i still had my ST-T, i would have found a g... Sep 8, 2004 - 8:13 PM

hs2g so is the race going to happen? Sep 11, 2004 - 11:40 PM

OOBE The Celica would win. It's only a quarter mile... Sep 13, 2004 - 4:58 PM

rocky2006 ok, seriously, whats going on with the race? May 18, 2005 - 4:35 PM

doGGy Hahah, this races never happend, it will happen th... May 18, 2005 - 4:40 PM

rocky2006 lmao. i was doing a search and i saw that thread.... May 18, 2005 - 11:17 PM

maikl a friend of mine has an rsx type-r and he has a AE... May 19, 2005 - 4:07 AM

SoundSlut_dotcom sti owner dont know how to drive May 19, 2005 - 11:15 AM

CupCrazy38 2005 Type-S all the way...lol, but I'm biased ... May 19, 2005 - 12:18 PM

maikl why all of you understimate the n/a cars? wake up... May 20, 2005 - 2:49 AM

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