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post Sep 29, 2004 - 11:02 AM
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Well, ten days into ownership of the 3sgte and I can safely confirm what everyone else has said over and over....these engines run very rich. I have read many posts about this and about the fact that Toyota made it this way to avoid lean conditions. However, I would imagine that running an overly rich condition cannot be good for the engine over time either. I am wondering whether for engine longevity and reliability purposes, us 3sgte owners should take action either through an S-AFC or stand alone to lean out the A/F ratio. Obviously, we can see some horsepower gains from doing so but I am particularly interested in responses dealing with engine life.


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QUOTE(lagos @ Jul 10, 2006 - 1:55 PM) [snapback]454118[/snapback]

i know your trying to do the right thing for your motor, but this is one of those times where you should just trust the guys who have had their swaps for a while and have done a ton of research into this.
 
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post Sep 30, 2004 - 12:25 PM
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How do you figure 180whp at 12psi? The JDM 3s's with JDM ecus are rated a 225hp at 8psi so your close to 190-195 at the wheels right there. With 12psi your kicking almost 210 at the wheels, I would think.


221 stock. 10-20% loss through the drive train is 177-199. Maximum stock boost is 10-11 psi. I am not raising it from that. I said 10psi, not 12psi (although I do have an aftermarket intercooler....).

Bottom line, I am not going to play with fire any more. The pump has been ordered.


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QUOTE(lagos @ Jul 10, 2006 - 1:55 PM) [snapback]454118[/snapback]

i know your trying to do the right thing for your motor, but this is one of those times where you should just trust the guys who have had their swaps for a while and have done a ton of research into this.

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- jgreening   Dangers of Running Rich   Sep 29, 2004 - 11:02 AM
- - Jdog1385   you should try to lean it out a bit. nothing craz...   Sep 29, 2004 - 11:05 AM
- - lagos   my theory is that the swap runs richer then a norm...   Sep 29, 2004 - 11:07 AM
- - jgreening   Lagos, I am still running the 5sfe pump. Jayson c...   Sep 29, 2004 - 11:12 AM
- - Supersprynt   Keep in mind they have 3sgte fuel pumps that are r...   Sep 29, 2004 - 11:22 AM
- - jgreening   QUOTE Keep in mind they have 3sgte fuel pumps that...   Sep 29, 2004 - 11:25 AM
- - Supersprynt   I figure because they are a different generation. ...   Sep 29, 2004 - 11:27 AM
- - jgreening   Whats a TC? Also, are you going to do any engine ...   Sep 29, 2004 - 11:46 AM
- - Supersprynt   tc - turbocharger, my bad I start shortening thing...   Sep 29, 2004 - 12:12 PM
- - 97sccelica   it fouls o2 sensors sooner(only if very very very ...   Sep 29, 2004 - 12:17 PM
- - Supersprynt   ECU's dont dump more fuel they retard timing. ...   Sep 29, 2004 - 12:22 PM
- - shid   I think the issue about fuel pumps might be someth...   Sep 29, 2004 - 12:38 PM
- - Supersprynt   No, that doesnt make any sense at all, LOL sorry I...   Sep 29, 2004 - 2:17 PM
- - Kwanza26   Running a bit rich doesn't hurt the engine. I...   Sep 29, 2004 - 5:04 PM
- - shid   QUOTE (Supersprynt @ Sep 29, 2004 - 7:17 PM) No, t...   Sep 29, 2004 - 8:34 PM
- - Doge   QUOTE (jgreening @ Sep 29, 2004 - 9:12 AM) Lagos, ...   Sep 29, 2004 - 9:07 PM
- - Doge   QUOTE (lagos @ Sep 29, 2004 - 9:07 AM) my theory i...   Sep 29, 2004 - 9:13 PM
- - jgreening   Thanks for the post Doge. It looks like up to 12p...   Sep 29, 2004 - 9:26 PM
- - Supersprynt   QUOTE (jgreening @ Sep 29, 2004 - 10:26 PM) T...   Sep 30, 2004 - 7:30 AM
- - thedevilmaycrie   QUOTE (Doge @ Sep 29, 2004 - 6:07 PM) QUOTE (jgree...   Sep 30, 2004 - 10:06 AM
- - jgreening   QUOTE How do you figure 180whp at 12psi? The JDM 3...   Sep 30, 2004 - 12:25 PM
- - Supersprynt   I've never heard 221 stock, only 225. Now, 10%...   Sep 30, 2004 - 12:54 PM
- - Doge   QUOTE (thedevilmaycrie @ Sep 30, 2004 - 8:06 AM) Q...   Sep 30, 2004 - 5:56 PM
- - Coomer   QUOTE (Supersprynt @ Sep 30, 2004 - 10:54 AM) I...   Sep 30, 2004 - 6:26 PM
- - Supersprynt   http://www.mr2oc.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=55...   Oct 4, 2004 - 4:42 PM
- - lagos   so.... if fuel pressure is controled by the inject...   Oct 4, 2004 - 7:21 PM
- - Supersprynt   we do have FPRs, stock FPRs.   Oct 4, 2004 - 11:18 PM
- - jgreening   QUOTE After reading through this <very long...   Oct 5, 2004 - 1:47 PM
- - YellowTwo   QUOTE (97sccelica @ Sep 29, 2004 - 10:17 AM) but o...   Oct 10, 2004 - 12:30 AM
- - Doge   Yeah you have to know what you're doing to get...   Oct 10, 2004 - 3:30 AM
- - YellowTwo   QUOTE (Doge @ Oct 10, 2004 - 1:30 AM) Yeah you hav...   Oct 10, 2004 - 4:15 PM
- - jgreening   I just thought I would share this answer to my ori...   Oct 15, 2004 - 3:17 PM


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