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post Apr 2, 2004 - 8:56 PM
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The project is in progress , I expect to run it in 1 month and half . Here are the engine mods list :

block 7afe
head 4age
head studs arp
low comp. piston (8.5:1) oem toyota mr2 sc
modified rods (full floating)
ecu ae86
custom wiring
catcams 256 ex. 243 in.
hks cam gear
hks head gasket
hks ssqv blow off valve
turbonetics t3 super 60
custom tubular ss manifold
tial 38 mm wastegate
greddy e manage
greddy profec e01
greddy oil catch tank
spearco 26x6x3 intercooler
2.5 " intercooler piping
440cc 7mgte injectors
fuel pump 7mgte
oil cooler flex-a-lite
radiator fan flex-a-lite
radiator fluidyne
trd clutch and pressure plate (not ever build)

Here are the first pics :

blue 7age
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engine bay cleaned
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fal fan
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More pics soon ...

 
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post Oct 28, 2004 - 3:01 PM
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QUOTE (FallenHero @ Oct 28, 2004 - 7:35 PM)
I'll be flat out honest with you. I'm going to call jet and tell them what I am going to run, and see if they can get a roundabout ecu set up for me. that way, I don't have to change any wiring, and it'll be plug and play. (plus I can fine tune with the AFC in that manner) And I also was under the impression that if I used the ITB's, the port size really wouldn't be that major of a problem. After all, the intake will be controlled by the ITB's. I wouldn't think the flow characteristics would really hurt power. I figured there would be a torque loss, but not that major of one.

IF the 272 cams are running well for you, I might just go that route. What did they run you? Also, what are you thinking for a redline. I was thinking 6500-6800. Probably 6500 because the block will have 120k miles on it. that coupled with a .7 or .5mm metal head gasket could lead to compression worries.

I figure all that would Easily topple the 130 hp mark. Throw on a few basics (header, exhast work, UDP) and it could make considerably more power. In the end. I'd like to see how it would run agains a stock 7afe turbocharged. Were i to rebuild the block properly, I think the all motor 7a with a bit more compression and the above head work would easily take a 7afte. But price wise... I will probably end up spending more money.

However, when I set out on this I said it would be a reliable DD, not a weekend race car. I just want a little more under my right foot. Plus, it's going to be a fun little project.

A Custom ECU would work fine only if they can fine tune it to your car. That'll require them to have your car, run it and tune it. That might be hard depending on various things. That being the case... you should look into megasquirt or something else. Try e-mailing toyotaspeed90. He's running a smallport 4AG off of his modified 4AFE ecu... so it can be done without major wiring changes. You'll still need to splice in wires and connectors to the different sensors and ignition parts (dizzy, coil/ignitor etc...). As far as the ports go... the actual intake ports do matter because they affect velocity and volume as well. ITBs will increase overall flow but having such large ports can slow velocity. Get what I mean? As a comparison, the Silvertop 20V's intake ports are very small... even smaller than the smallport 4AG...

Yeah... the crower camshafts are running great... and they're cheap too. They're much cheaper than a pair of HKS cams and they've been doing well for me. I got mine from a club4ag member for 375 shipped brand new... but I think they retail in the 400 neighborhood. The 272 n/a stage 2 cams aren't listed on their website for some reason... My car's redline is stock, which fuel-cuts at 7800 rpms (and I do rev it all the way there). The cams make power all the way up there and probably a bit beyond also... In a 7AGE... the only reason I wouldn't rev high would be because of the stock rods... but people have revved their 7AGs up to 8000 rpms in race situations and the rods have proven pretty durable. I don't know... but I would look to something like 7000-7500 rpms or so depending on camshafts. I'm also looking into possibly fitting 2ZZGE rods into a 7A block (they're scarily similar) and if that works out... the 7A bottom-end can easily spin past 8. The rod stroke ratio of the 7A bottom-end is pretty good for revving. I'm probably gonna end up doing a 7AGE build myself in the future.

As for power output... a stock 7AGE can make 130hp without even sweating. So long as the tuning is good, stock bigport camshafts on the smallport head, on a 7A block with smallport high-comp pistons, can make 130 hp pretty easily. My AE86, if I have to estimate, is probably putting around 130 to the wheels. I can put 3 cars on my cousin's stock 91 240SX which is rated 160 some odd hp and torque... so I'll guesstimate it's pretty good. I'm still searching for a pair of good camgears that aren't bright purple and blue... =/


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- frotou   7agte   Apr 2, 2004 - 8:56 PM
- - lagos   very nice! btw, i know its cool to dress up ...   Apr 2, 2004 - 9:26 PM
- - Drocay   looks great man, but i agree with lagos it looks w...   Apr 2, 2004 - 9:49 PM
- - 97sccelica   dont waste anymore time painting stuff get that h...   Apr 2, 2004 - 11:00 PM
- - Kwanza26   Cool... I'm gonna be doing that sometime soon....   Apr 2, 2004 - 11:19 PM
- - celicarocker   it looks fake blue... like it doesnt look like a r...   Apr 2, 2004 - 11:22 PM
- - Dr_Tweak   Looks awesome. Forget what everybody says about th...   Apr 2, 2004 - 11:43 PM
- - frotou   This is not the real color of the blue ; it's ...   Apr 4, 2004 - 12:51 AM
- - FallenHero   18lbs... that doesn't leave a lot of room for ...   Apr 4, 2004 - 12:55 AM
- - Kwanza26   QUOTE (frotou @ Apr 4, 2004 - 5:51 AM) This is not...   Apr 4, 2004 - 1:03 AM
- - Uppitycracker   Awesome stuff man, Have any pics of the whole car?...   Apr 4, 2004 - 1:54 AM
- - Anub1s   Im with the guys that say to forget the other guys...   Apr 4, 2004 - 8:49 AM
- - dstrbcelica   looks great man! can't wait to see some pi...   Apr 4, 2004 - 7:21 PM
- - x_itchy_b_x   its gunna haul "butt" i bet   Apr 4, 2004 - 7:46 PM
- - Digndoug   Man that is awsome, thats crazy, first, why did yo...   Apr 4, 2004 - 8:13 PM
- - frotou   My goal for this summer is first to make the car r...   Apr 5, 2004 - 12:18 AM
- - van95st   looks beautiful, you didn't say anything about...   Apr 5, 2004 - 3:08 AM
- - SpedToe169   Looks good. We'll all be very interested in t...   Apr 5, 2004 - 1:43 PM
- - toyotaspeed_90   i've said it before and i'll say it again ...   Apr 5, 2004 - 10:25 PM
- - kuruptedsnake   will those cam gears work on my 7afe   Apr 5, 2004 - 10:29 PM
- - toyotaspeed_90   QUOTE (kuruptedsnake @ Apr 6, 2004 - 3:29 AM) will...   Apr 5, 2004 - 10:41 PM
- - kuruptedsnake   ok then where can i find cam gears or cam sprocket...   Apr 5, 2004 - 11:04 PM
- - FallenHero   the 7a is a slave cam engine. they do make cam ge...   Apr 5, 2004 - 11:10 PM
- - kuruptedsnake   really why not?   Apr 5, 2004 - 11:11 PM
- - 97sccelica   QUOTE (kuruptedsnake @ Apr 5, 2004 - 8:11 PM) real...   Apr 6, 2004 - 3:14 AM
- - frotou   Finaly after hard times the manifold is completed ...   Apr 14, 2004 - 10:31 PM
- - defgeph   how is your project coming along? I'm in limbo...   Apr 14, 2004 - 10:32 PM
- - frotou   Go with 3sgte if you don't like to fit things ...   Apr 14, 2004 - 10:44 PM
- - Punch   you should use 4A-GZE wire harnese it comes with a...   Sep 3, 2004 - 6:07 PM
- - Jeremy1210   any updates on your engine?   Sep 4, 2004 - 11:21 PM
- - frotou   See topic ; celica 7agte started last week .   Sep 5, 2004 - 6:36 PM
- - FallenHero   I have heard you have to re-locate the Alternator ...   Oct 27, 2004 - 8:53 PM
- - Kwanza26   QUOTE (FallenHero @ Oct 28, 2004 - 1:53 AM) I have...   Oct 27, 2004 - 11:18 PM
- - FallenHero   yea, just throwing this out there, those cam gears...   Oct 28, 2004 - 10:00 AM
- - frotou   I have now a wiring, ecu, igniter, coil pack, cran...   Oct 28, 2004 - 11:38 AM
- - nik   QUOTE (frotou @ Oct 28, 2004 - 9:38 AM) I have now...   Oct 28, 2004 - 11:48 AM
- - Kwanza26   QUOTE (FallenHero @ Oct 28, 2004 - 3:00 PM) yea, j...   Oct 28, 2004 - 2:16 PM
- - FallenHero   I'll be flat out honest with you. I'm goi...   Oct 28, 2004 - 2:35 PM
- - Kwanza26   QUOTE (FallenHero @ Oct 28, 2004 - 7:35 PM) I...   Oct 28, 2004 - 3:01 PM
- - FallenHero   Use AEM cam gears. You'll pay for them, but y...   Oct 28, 2004 - 3:22 PM
- - Gilbert_619   wow thats a damm hott ride for sure...that manifol...   Oct 28, 2004 - 3:28 PM
- - nik   well i know who to talk to when i take the plung i...   Oct 28, 2004 - 3:30 PM
- - Kwanza26   QUOTE (FallenHero @ Oct 28, 2004 - 8:22 PM) Use AE...   Oct 28, 2004 - 3:49 PM
- - frotou   My engine finished (expect the management) I love ...   Oct 28, 2004 - 5:04 PM
- - dstrbcelica   wow. you are the f*ckin man. looks great!...   Oct 28, 2004 - 5:08 PM
- - FallenHero   QUOTE (Kwanza26 @ Oct 28, 2004 - 1:49 PM) QUOTE (F...   Oct 28, 2004 - 7:51 PM
- - Kwanza26   QUOTE (FallenHero @ Oct 29, 2004 - 12:51 AM) I...   Oct 28, 2004 - 8:57 PM
- - FallenHero   check a price for the smallport head for me with t...   Oct 29, 2004 - 8:49 PM
- - Kwanza26   QUOTE (FallenHero @ Oct 30, 2004 - 1:49 AM) check ...   Oct 29, 2004 - 9:39 PM
- - Dr_Tweak   I would seriously recommend getting a Megasqurt se...   Oct 29, 2004 - 10:44 PM
- - KAMiX   Dude that is ****ing awesome... mad props.   Nov 1, 2004 - 10:50 AM


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