body roll Options

[TRD-ST204]

My GT has a lot of body roll, it occurs even when turning slightly. On several occassions the rear has broke loose because of the weight transfer. What are some good parts can I buy to make it go away. Also I have a lot of ground clearance can anyone help me out?

[Bigmeanbulldog55]

I'm not sure I completely agree with a FF not sliding the back. I've raced dirt track, and I agree that it’s not a common thing for a FF to slide the back end. But, my old car would do it every now and then if I induced body role. Of course that car had a 67- 33% weight distribution front to back. It was a 92 Geo Storm Gsi, with a gutted interior and a fair amount of work done to the engine. I've never had either of my Celica’s ever do this though, and I don't think it's possible for them too. I don’t think this guy is telling the truth, but I think some FF cars will slide if you put effort into it.

[Kwanza26]

I'm not sure I completely agree with a FF not sliding the back.  I've raced dirt track, and I agree that it’s not a common thing for a FF to slide the back end.  But, my old car would do it every now and then if I induced body role.  Of course that car had a 67- 33% weight distribution front to back.  It was a 92 Geo Storm Gsi, with a gutted interior and a fair amount of work done to the engine.  I've never had either of my Celica’s ever do this though, and I don't think it's possible for them too.  I don’t think this guy is telling the truth, but I think some FF cars will slide if you put effort into it.
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Dirt and pavement are completely different worlds. Key word is "effort". I can make my FF car slide in the back... it's as easy as pulling the e-brake. As far as tail sliding during the apex of a corner during somewhat normal fast driving, it simply doesn't happen as exaggeratedly as some people think. You'd have to either be slamming on the brake where as the front is stopping completely and the rear loses all traction and slides out (like what RedSunCelica describes), or you directly apply pressure via e-brake. Even with staggered wheel set-ups, which is very common in FF racing, high grip tires up front and low grip in the rear to minimize understeer, a FF car doesn't exhibit tail sliding without direct input. The front wheels are constantly pulling the rear... so there's no way the rear can somehow pull itself elsewhere away fron the front without direct input from the driver. It's simple physics... I find it almost laughable how often people try to argue against this...

[Bigmeanbulldog55]

I'm not sure I completely agree with a FF not sliding the back.  I've raced dirt track, and I agree that it’s not a common thing for a FF to slide the back end.  But, my old car would do it every now and then if I induced body role.  Of course that car had a 67- 33% weight distribution front to back.  It was a 92 Geo Storm Gsi, with a gutted interior and a fair amount of work done to the engine.  I've never had either of my Celica’s ever do this though, and I don't think it's possible for them too.  I don’t think this guy is telling the truth, but I think some FF cars will slide if you put effort into it.
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Dirt and pavement are completely different worlds. Key word is "effort". I can make my FF car slide in the back... it's as easy as pulling the e-brake. As far as tail sliding during the apex of a corner during somewhat normal fast driving, it simply doesn't happen as exaggeratedly as some people think. You'd have to either be slamming on the brake where as the front is stopping completely and the rear loses all traction and slides out (like what RedSunCelica describes), or you directly apply pressure via e-brake. Even with staggered wheel set-ups, which is very common in FF racing, high grip tires up front and low grip in the rear to minimize understeer, a FF car doesn't exhibit tail sliding without direct input. The front wheels are constantly pulling the rear... so there's no way the rear can somehow pull itself elsewhere away fron the front without direct input from the driver. It's simple physics... I find it almost laughable how often people try to argue against this...
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I was saying that about my old car, and no it was not on the dirt only. If your arguing that you can't step on the gas and have a FF car's rear wheels spin it around, I don't think your get much feedback because this is obviously true. But the key here is the effort, and it is possible for a front drive cars rear to slide without the e-brake. My car didn't have much for rear brakes but it did have upgraded front brakes. This is probably why it would break loose in the back sometimes. And I was saying all of this just as friendly conversation. It gets irritating when people start laughing at one another. That isn't what these forums are about.

[Kwanza26]

I was saying that about my old car, and no it was not on the dirt only.  If your arguing that you can't step on the gas and have a FF car's rear wheels spin it around, I don't think your get much feedback because this is obviously true.  But the key here is the effort, and it is possible for a front drive cars rear to slide without the e-brake.  My car didn't have much for rear brakes but it did have upgraded front brakes.  This is probably why it would break loose in the back sometimes.  And I was saying all of this just as friendly conversation.  It gets irritating when people start laughing at one another.  That isn't what these forums are about.
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I laugh because of posts like this. You're trying to make an argument repeating what I said earlier. That example is not even what we're reffering to here. Think of it as "drift style" tail sliding. Even the braking example... it happens only when you're slowing down from very high speed to very low speed in a relatively straight line. Also, the front rear bias has to be very very strong to the front... to the point where the rear can't lock up.

This post has been edited by Kwanza26: Nov 30, 2004 - 10:10 AM