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post Dec 30, 2004 - 3:20 AM
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You Guy's know all about weight and power ratio's and stuff like that !

so is a stock GT-4 really any more powerful than stock GT ?

A GT-4 has 250 ish bhp ! but the extra weight of the fwd running gear and the extra effort required to drive four wheels,
over just two wheels a stock GT (SS III) at 210 ish bhp !

i'm probable so wrong but i think the GT has got more power on the road..

So many guy's out here think the GT-4 four is such a quick car, and are supprised when (with my bad driving and such),there's not much in a head to head with a SS III.

I raced one of the lights the other week with no real conclusion due to trafffic and road conditions and care of our cars !!!!!

on paper in a straight drag, what are the facts, who will be quickest ??

anyone know ??


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post Dec 30, 2004 - 11:47 AM
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I can think of one big disadvantage to awd taht may have affected your race. Given that teh wheels will not spin under normal conditions, something has to take the pain. Launching under full power the only choice one has is dividing the damage between the clutch and the rest of the drivetrain. So many people would not be inclined to do an ail out launch in their awd car. I know I wouldn't.
post Dec 30, 2004 - 12:12 PM
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QUOTE(Jehuty @ Dec 30, 2004 - 10:47 AM)
I can think of one big disadvantage to awd taht may have affected your race. Given that teh wheels will not spin under normal conditions, something has to take the pain. Launching under full power the only choice one has is dividing the damage between the clutch and the rest of the drivetrain. So many people would not be inclined to do an ail out launch in their awd car. I know I wouldn't.
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Take the pain? The thing that takes the pain is the road. That and the transmission. However, since the AWD tranny was meant for that, it wont break. I've never seen or heard of anyone in a AWD that broke their trannies because the wheels dont spin. I guess in my experience, I'd be more worried about burning the clutch out in a FWD trying to keep its tires on the road.

I just dont see how so many people are bais about an AWD without owning one. An AWD is the biggest beast ever on the streets. The reason the Celica went AWD was because the FWD model couldn't handle the power of the 3SGTE. Simple as that.

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post Dec 30, 2004 - 10:17 PM
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QUOTE(turboinduction @ Dec 30, 2004 - 12:12 PM)


Take the pain?  The thing that takes the pain is the road.  That and the transmission.  However, since the AWD tranny was meant for that, it wont break.  I've never seen or heard of anyone in a AWD that broke their trannies because the wheels dont spin.  I guess in my experience, I'd be more worried about burning the clutch out in a FWD trying to keep its tires on the road.

I just dont see how so many people are bais about an AWD without owning one.  An AWD is the biggest beast ever on the streets.  The reason the Celica went AWD was because the FWD model couldn't handle the power of the 3SGTE.  Simple as that.

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The clutch, the tranny, 3 diffs and 4 shafts. Im talking about an all out launch here. The parts are strong, but not indestructable, and even if they don't break immediatly, there is some accelerated wear associated with this kind of treatment. I wouldn't do it to my car! And I think many feel the same.

From my experience, the really fast launches from awd cars are produced from hi-rpm clutch dumps. And Ive heard plenty of stories about transmissions getting ruined under these conditions, although Ive never had the pleasure of seeing it in person. =) Even new evo owners are busting halfshafts here and there.

Somewhere between a baby start and a full on dump you can still get a good start, but it takes skill, and still isn't as fierce as just abusing the drivetrain.

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- popstar   GT-4 vs GT   Dec 30, 2004 - 3:20 AM
- - blackbullet   i think that when the race is on and the turbo sta...   Dec 30, 2004 - 3:33 AM
- - doGGy   i knew a guy who owned a GT4 and his brother owns ...   Dec 30, 2004 - 3:36 AM
- - turboinduction   QUOTE(popstar @ Dec 30, 2004 - 2:20 AM)You Gu...   Dec 30, 2004 - 3:41 AM
- - doGGy   QUOTE1. First things first. Since this site is com...   Dec 30, 2004 - 3:47 AM
|- - turboinduction   QUOTE(doGGy @ Dec 30, 2004 - 2:47 AM)QUOTE1. ...   Dec 30, 2004 - 3:49 AM
|- - doGGy   No Ti, you are right... i was wrong ... red top ...   Dec 30, 2004 - 4:01 AM
- - 97sccelica   eh who drives stock? a gt4 is a turbo car, and s...   Dec 30, 2004 - 4:12 AM
- - creis   I think its probibly a close race but with good dr...   Dec 30, 2004 - 4:15 AM
- - macavely   well being that i have never driven eith a 6gc-GT...   Dec 30, 2004 - 5:09 AM
- - popstar   Thanks guy's it's still not answered t...   Dec 30, 2004 - 6:00 AM
|- - doGGy   Celicas came ONLY with red top beams engine, black...   Dec 30, 2004 - 6:07 AM
- - popstar   Cheers Doggy where do you get all this info fr...   Dec 30, 2004 - 6:12 AM
- - Jehuty   I can think of one big disadvantage to awd taht ma...   Dec 30, 2004 - 11:47 AM
|- - turboinduction   QUOTE(Jehuty @ Dec 30, 2004 - 10:47 AM)I can ...   Dec 30, 2004 - 12:12 PM
|- - Jehuty   QUOTE(turboinduction @ Dec 30, 2004 - 12:12 P...   Dec 30, 2004 - 10:17 PM
|- - Negative   [/quote] Take the pain? The thing that takes the ...   Jan 7, 2005 - 5:56 PM
- - Kwanza26   I wouldn't worry about launching an AWD car......   Dec 30, 2004 - 1:26 PM
- - recycle   when u go side by side with magic at 150kph and he...   Dec 30, 2004 - 2:09 PM
- - DamDirtyApes   QUOTE(recycle @ Dec 30, 2004 - 7:09 PM)when u...   Dec 30, 2004 - 2:27 PM
|- - recycle   QUOTE(DamDirtyApes @ Dec 30, 2004 - 10:27 PM)...   Dec 30, 2004 - 2:35 PM
- - Magic   Guys this is wrong,you are comparing 2 cars that a...   Dec 30, 2004 - 4:43 PM
- - erics1one   Anyone have the weight specs for these models we...   Dec 30, 2004 - 6:53 PM
|- - Kwanza26   QUOTE(erics1one @ Dec 30, 2004 - 11:53 PM)Any...   Dec 30, 2004 - 10:36 PM
- - redtcel   QUOTE 2 turboinduction. i don't know if it wa...   Dec 30, 2004 - 7:06 PM
- - saleeka   gt-fours debued in 87 i thought, and all the 4th g...   Dec 30, 2004 - 9:12 PM
- - erics1one   So weight reduction on a GT, with a beefed up 3SGT...   Dec 30, 2004 - 11:44 PM
|- - Kwanza26   QUOTE(erics1one @ Dec 31, 2004 - 4:44 AM)So w...   Dec 31, 2004 - 2:13 AM
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- - popstar   Sorry guy's tipo big time it's a...   Jan 6, 2005 - 5:50 AM
- - _rz_   Hi eveybody. Thoudht I'll add my 2 cents to th...   Jan 6, 2005 - 12:23 PM
|- - Kwanza26   QUOTE(_rz_ @ Jan 6, 2005 - 5:23 PM)Hi eveybod...   Jan 6, 2005 - 9:04 PM
|- - popstar   QUOTE(_rz_ @ Jan 6, 2005 - 12:23 PM) Sorry fo...   Jan 7, 2005 - 2:56 AM
- - recycle   so from what u are saying an ss2 is faster than ss...   Jan 6, 2005 - 1:04 PM
- - _rz_   QUOTE(recycle @ Jan 6, 2005 - 10:04 PM)so fro...   Jan 6, 2005 - 1:12 PM
- - 97sccelica   QUOTE(Jehuty @ Dec 30, 2004 - 7:17 PM)QUOTE(t...   Jan 7, 2005 - 1:31 AM
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- - Lenny_mc   @ kwanza - you ever driven a beams? the whole poin...   Jan 7, 2005 - 5:15 AM
|- - Kwanza26   QUOTE(Lenny_mc @ Jan 7, 2005 - 10:15 AM)@ kwa...   Jan 7, 2005 - 10:45 AM
|- - turboinduction   QUOTE(Kwanza26 @ Jan 7, 2005 - 9:45 AM)QUOTE(...   Jan 7, 2005 - 5:40 PM
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|- - Mr_E   QUOTE(Lenny_mc @ Jan 7, 2005 - 5:17 AM) Actu...   Jan 7, 2005 - 6:37 AM
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- - Mr_E   1999 was the last of the ST205s I believe. Post 19...   Jan 7, 2005 - 9:39 AM
|- - popstar   QUOTE(Mr_E @ Jan 7, 2005 - 9:39 AM)1999 was t...   Jan 10, 2005 - 6:16 AM
|- - richgt4   QUOTE(popstar @ Jan 10, 2005 - 11:16 AM)QUOTE...   Jan 10, 2005 - 6:40 AM
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|- - Kwanza26   QUOTE(Negative @ Jan 7, 2005 - 11:10 PM)BTW -...   Jan 7, 2005 - 8:11 PM
- - turboinduction   QUOTETake the pain? The thing that takes the pain ...   Jan 8, 2005 - 1:51 AM
- - richgt4   Well that took some time to read through. Happy Ne...   Jan 8, 2005 - 8:25 PM
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- - popstar   Thanks Rich   Jan 10, 2005 - 7:22 AM
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- - _rz_   QUOTE(Kwanza26 @ Jan 7, 2005 - 7:45 PM)QUOTE(...   Jan 11, 2005 - 11:14 AM
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