GT-4 vs GT, extra HP in GT-4 Options

[popstar]

You Guy's know all about weight and power ratio's and stuff like that !

so is a stock GT-4 really any more powerful than stock GT ?

A GT-4 has 250 ish bhp ! but the extra weight of the fwd running gear and the extra effort required to drive four wheels,
over just two wheels a stock GT (SS III) at 210 ish bhp !

i'm probable so wrong but i think the GT has got more power on the road..

So many guy's out here think the GT-4 four is such a quick car, and are supprised when (with my bad driving and such),there's not much in a head to head with a SS III.

I raced one of the lights the other week with no real conclusion due to trafffic and road conditions and care of our cars !!!!!

on paper in a straight drag, what are the facts, who will be quickest ??

anyone know ??

[Lenny_mc]

@ kwanza - you ever driven a beams? the whole point of vvt is that the cam profile is aletered somehow to give better low end drive with top end performance. the vvt on the beams kicks in at 4500 +_ 200 rpm and you certainly can feel it. Hell under half normal acce;leration in the wet the thing will spin up when it hits 4500. under hard acceleration in the wet it wil spin up in 3rd when it hits the vvt (at about 75 mph)

@ rz - the ss2 had the same 3sge motor as the gt model with about 177 bhp. The ss3 has the beams motor which is 197 bhp. both have superstrut suspension (SS) as does the gt4.

[Kwanza26]

@ kwanza - you ever driven a beams? the whole point of vvt is that the cam profile is aletered somehow to give better low end drive with top end performance. the vvt on the beams kicks in at 4500 +_ 200 rpm and you certainly can feel it. Hell under half normal acce;leration in the wet the thing will spin up when it hits 4500. under hard acceleration in the wet it wil spin up in 3rd when it hits the vvt (at about 75 mph)
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No... but I have much more experience than probably anyone else here. I've driven just about every single new Toyota, which ALL incorporate VVT-i. I build VTEC engines and I KNOW how VVT-i works. It doesn't turn on at a certain rpm. VVT-i is constantly on, hence the "i" for "intelligence". It alters cam timing for the optimal torque, like you say, but it doesn't add "kick" in the upper powerband. Kick is VTEC. Kick is VVTLi. Both VTEC and VVTLi have as much as 60-70 Horsepower jumps between primary lobes and Lift lobes. VVT-i only advances or retards cam timing depending on throttle position, load, rpms, etc. The increased pull you describe is NORMAL for a sporty engine. 16V 4AGEs do it without VVT-i... so it has NOTHING to do with VVT-i... ;]

[turboinduction]

@ kwanza - you ever driven a beams? the whole point of vvt is that the cam profile is aletered somehow to give better low end drive with top end performance. the vvt on the beams kicks in at 4500 +_ 200 rpm and you certainly can feel it. Hell under half normal acce;leration in the wet the thing will spin up when it hits 4500. under hard acceleration in the wet it wil spin up in 3rd when it hits the vvt (at about 75 mph)
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No... but I have much more experience than probably anyone else here. I've driven just about every single new Toyota, which ALL incorporate VVT-i. I build VTEC engines and I KNOW how VVT-i works. It doesn't turn on at a certain rpm. VVT-i is constantly on, hence the "i" for "intelligence". It alters cam timing for the optimal torque, like you say, but it doesn't add "kick" in the upper powerband. Kick is VTEC. Kick is VVTLi. Both VTEC and VVTLi have as much as 60-70 Horsepower jumps between primary lobes and Lift lobes. VVT-i only advances or retards cam timing depending on throttle position, load, rpms, etc. The increased pull you describe is NORMAL for a sporty engine. 16V 4AGEs do it without VVT-i... so it has NOTHING to do with VVT-i... ;]
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God I love Lift

-Ti