GT-4 vs GT, extra HP in GT-4 Options

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You Guy's know all about weight and power ratio's and stuff like that !

so is a stock GT-4 really any more powerful than stock GT ?

A GT-4 has 250 ish bhp ! but the extra weight of the fwd running gear and the extra effort required to drive four wheels,
over just two wheels a stock GT (SS III) at 210 ish bhp !

i'm probable so wrong but i think the GT has got more power on the road..

So many guy's out here think the GT-4 four is such a quick car, and are supprised when (with my bad driving and such),there's not much in a head to head with a SS III.

I raced one of the lights the other week with no real conclusion due to trafffic and road conditions and care of our cars !!!!!

on paper in a straight drag, what are the facts, who will be quickest ??

anyone know ??

[Negative]

BTW - VVTi does kick around 4500RPM - even my '02 Camry does it - you can feel it. What you may be thinking of is the way better kick that you get from a VVTL-i and yes it is very nice. Still slower than my 6th gen though - proven not hype. Oh and for proof of experience I have owned 5 Celicas now including the Celica/Supra ('84), an '88 Al-trac and two 6th gen GT's. The '86 ST-185 Swap I had was by far the fastest so far with the exception of the Al-trac which was about dead even until you hit curves and then was the fastest.
But whatever.

[Kwanza26]

BTW - VVTi does kick around 4500RPM - even my '02 Camry does it - you can feel it. What you may be thinking of is the way better kick that you get from a VVTL-i and yes it is very nice. Still slower than my 6th gen though - proven not hype. Oh and for proof of experience I have owned 5 Celicas now including the Celica/Supra ('84), an '88 Al-trac and two 6th gen GT's. The '86 ST-185 Swap I had was by far the fastest so far with the exception of the Al-trac which was about dead even until you hit curves and then was the fastest.
But whatever.
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Umm... no. You gotta get you gotta get your facts straight. VVT-i is a constant mechanism, as in no "on-off" sort of deal. What you describe as a crossover point in the rpm band and VVT worked like that, NOT VVT-i. As far as I know... the ONLY Toyota engines to use the early VVT system were the 4AGE 20Vs. Neither system was designed to make power (VVT and VVT-i). They were designed to improve response and torque. What you guys are "feeling" as kicks, is normal in that rpm range, but I tend to think some of you simply want to compare VVT-i to VTEC... which are NOT the same. VVT-i is rarely felt because it's almost always on. VVT on the other hand can be slightly felt, but it's rather mundane...

Read this for more info...
http://www.billzilla.org/vvtvtec.htm

Oh... and if you wish to impress me with experience, do so with facts and your knowledge... not opinion. People can say whatever they want, but their experience shows only when they can spit out facts... ;]

This post has been edited by Kwanza26: Jan 7, 2005 - 8:14 PM