GT-4 vs GT, extra HP in GT-4 Options

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You Guy's know all about weight and power ratio's and stuff like that !

so is a stock GT-4 really any more powerful than stock GT ?

A GT-4 has 250 ish bhp ! but the extra weight of the fwd running gear and the extra effort required to drive four wheels,
over just two wheels a stock GT (SS III) at 210 ish bhp !

i'm probable so wrong but i think the GT has got more power on the road..

So many guy's out here think the GT-4 four is such a quick car, and are supprised when (with my bad driving and such),there's not much in a head to head with a SS III.

I raced one of the lights the other week with no real conclusion due to trafffic and road conditions and care of our cars !!!!!

on paper in a straight drag, what are the facts, who will be quickest ??

anyone know ??

[Magic]

Kwanza26 my previous cars,ALL JDM and heavy modified with many proves:

JDM Honda Prelude H22A 2.2 Vtec
JDM Impreza WRX Version 4
JDM TOYTA GT4

I am the owner of the Celica Club Cyprus with more than 250 Celicas including (SS1,SS2,SS3,GT4,5th Gen and 7th Gen) ALL JDM not USDM and TRUST me you HAVENT even close to the 1/10 of the Celicas that i have drive.

I am 28 years old born in the racing cars (my father was a professional Rally driver for more than 20 years) and i dont undertsand why i am continue this discussion with you and many other drivers.

We are talking about SSIII and GT4 in the Track????????????????????

I think a responsible administrator of this site should close this post.

Friendly

[Kwanza26]

Kwanza26 my previous cars,ALL JDM and heavy modified with many proves:

JDM Honda Prelude H22A 2.2 Vtec
JDM Impreza WRX Version 4
JDM TOYTA GT4

I am the owner of the Celica Club Cyprus with more than 250 Celicas including (SS1,SS2,SS3,GT4,5th Gen and 7th Gen) ALL JDM not USDM and TRUST me you HAVENT even close to the 1/10 of the Celicas that i have drive.

I am 28 years old born in the racing cars (my father was a professional Rally driver for more than 20 years) and i dont undertsand why i am continue this discussion with you and many other drivers.

We are talking about SSIII and GT4 in the Track????????????????????

I think a responsible administrator of this site should close this post.

Friendly
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Buddy... you know NOTHING of what I do... so why are you even tripping? Don't assume. I didn't say anything towards you personally so what's with you questioning me? If anything, you just talk the talk... You guys have this worshipping attitude towards the GT4, when in actuality, it's only a decently good chassis, hence why it only lasted as it did in WRC. I've been around the block and back again when it comes to track racing, AutoX, Solo, Pro Solo, even had a few Club runs, and of course, drag. I may be young, but this is the sh!t I grew up around. My dad raced, my uncle raced, lots of my family members race. You can talk all you want about how great the GT4 is and how we Americans know little because we haven't driven an ST205, etc... but the truth is in the chassis design. You're not gonna easily convince me that an ST205 will simply slaughter an SSIII based on power and drivetrain. I, unlike others, know far better than that. The SSIII will take the corner entries almost everytime. The GT4 has Awesome brakes as Mr_E says, but it's a tank. It weighs what... almost 500 pounds more than an SSIII? The weight difference in a tight track will equalize things. This is EASY to predict. If you have as much experience as you say... you'd agree. Mr_E agrees to some degree, and I agree with his statement that the GT4 will always catch up at the corner exit because of the turbo... but depending on the track, this can be nullified. Think about it before you start worshipping again. Same chassis, same suspension. SSIII gives up only about 50-60 hp and torque... but makes up for it with lightness. Corner entry speeds and n/a response is far better than all-out power dude... especially when the cars are so close.

[recycle]

Kwanza26 my friend u are talking bull sh it . EVERY SINGLE TIME i tried to catch up magics or tufys gt4 IN ANY ROAD i could only see the rear lights getting smaller. and dont start telling me that i have an SS2 and not than SS3 cos both cars have the same fcuking beams engine.

when i drove a gt4 the main trick about it its the way it sticks on the road. almost never have to really slow down on a corner and that is cos of the 4wd. to turn on the same speed with my car i will meet very closely any field pole or building is on the opposite side of the road

further more i will agree with magic that this i topic with no actual meaning cos u have absolutely no experience with st205


This post has been edited by recycle: Jan 15, 2005 - 8:41 PM

[Kwanza26]

Hahah... you guys can talk all you want. It doesn't bother me. I deal with people like you on a daily basis and I let them have their ego. It's no big deal to me. It's the blind leading the blind. When it comes down to it, experience is what counts. Experience comes from seeing things, doing thing, and not letting some super ego hold you to their ideals. There are other great cars out there...

First off... I'm not talking ****. I said something VERY basic (SSIII can take the GT4 on a tight track)... and you (the people who worship the ST205) just can't handle it. That really got magic's panties all up in a bunch for some reason. On the other hand, Mr_E seemed to not think my comment was something, shall we say, *unthinkable* *GASP*! I could care less. You can give your opinions all day long... but you've yet to say anything but express your opinions. No facts, no reasons. I at least gave my reasons for what I said. I already know how magic thinks, and considering you all are in a little "group"... it's probably the same ideal all around (with exception to neoklis... I still have some respect for him).

To close... you guys are fighting a fools battle. I doubt you want to compare resumes against me. I rarely see any of you write up anything insightful about engines and performance. I don't see you guys, with your VAST JDM ST205 knowledge provide anything aside from fancy pictures of cyprus meets. If what I said was so stupid and unthinkable... why is it that only your bunch are attacking me? I know there are other members out there who consider me quite rude and arrogant and would jump at the chance to attack me...

and recycle: Didn't Toyota replaced the ST205 with the Corolla Hatchback before they bowed out? It wasn't just because of the illegal turbo...

[Mr_E]

and recycle:  Didn't Toyota replaced the ST205 with the Corolla Hatchback before they bowed out?  It wasn't just because of the illegal turbo...
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They didn't.

ST205 got Toyota banned for 2 years.
They returned under the WRC car rules with the Corolla, which was heavily based on the ST205. Changes in the sorts of stages run meant that higher cockpit and a shorter wheelbase made for a faster car.

Carlos Seinz still thinks the GT-Four is his favorite rally car ever.

Anyway, back on topic. SSIII is lighter and gets slightly less power to the wheels. But it gets power to the wrong wheels. The front end has to do all the turning, all the power and 80% of the braking.

On a track (and I've done this with both a UK spec GT and a 2ZZ powered 7th gen) the GT-Four is significantly quicker. Once spun up, the 2ZZ has a chance of keeping station down the straights, but loses serious distance out of the corners. I imagine a Beams powered SSIII to be very similar.

And the point I'm trying to make is that the Four isn't a very good track car. It's too heavy and the 4wd isn't much of an advantage on nice smooth tarmac.

On a real road, it's gone. Over the hills and far away. Doubly so if it's wet.

If it makes you feel any better, on my local track I'm a mobile chicane for all the Catafields that fly around.....

This post has been edited by Mr_E: Jan 16, 2005 - 9:52 AM