GT-4 vs GT, extra HP in GT-4 Options

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You Guy's know all about weight and power ratio's and stuff like that !

so is a stock GT-4 really any more powerful than stock GT ?

A GT-4 has 250 ish bhp ! but the extra weight of the fwd running gear and the extra effort required to drive four wheels,
over just two wheels a stock GT (SS III) at 210 ish bhp !

i'm probable so wrong but i think the GT has got more power on the road..

So many guy's out here think the GT-4 four is such a quick car, and are supprised when (with my bad driving and such),there's not much in a head to head with a SS III.

I raced one of the lights the other week with no real conclusion due to trafffic and road conditions and care of our cars !!!!!

on paper in a straight drag, what are the facts, who will be quickest ??

anyone know ??

[Magic]

Kwanza26 my previous cars,ALL JDM and heavy modified with many proves:

JDM Honda Prelude H22A 2.2 Vtec
JDM Impreza WRX Version 4
JDM TOYTA GT4

I am the owner of the Celica Club Cyprus with more than 250 Celicas including (SS1,SS2,SS3,GT4,5th Gen and 7th Gen) ALL JDM not USDM and TRUST me you HAVENT even close to the 1/10 of the Celicas that i have drive.

I am 28 years old born in the racing cars (my father was a professional Rally driver for more than 20 years) and i dont undertsand why i am continue this discussion with you and many other drivers.

We are talking about SSIII and GT4 in the Track????????????????????

I think a responsible administrator of this site should close this post.

Friendly

[Kwanza26]

Kwanza26 my previous cars,ALL JDM and heavy modified with many proves:

JDM Honda Prelude H22A 2.2 Vtec
JDM Impreza WRX Version 4
JDM TOYTA GT4

I am the owner of the Celica Club Cyprus with more than 250 Celicas including (SS1,SS2,SS3,GT4,5th Gen and 7th Gen) ALL JDM not USDM and TRUST me you HAVENT even close to the 1/10 of the Celicas that i have drive.

I am 28 years old born in the racing cars (my father was a professional Rally driver for more than 20 years) and i dont undertsand why i am continue this discussion with you and many other drivers.

We are talking about SSIII and GT4 in the Track????????????????????

I think a responsible administrator of this site should close this post.

Friendly
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Buddy... you know NOTHING of what I do... so why are you even tripping? Don't assume. I didn't say anything towards you personally so what's with you questioning me? If anything, you just talk the talk... You guys have this worshipping attitude towards the GT4, when in actuality, it's only a decently good chassis, hence why it only lasted as it did in WRC. I've been around the block and back again when it comes to track racing, AutoX, Solo, Pro Solo, even had a few Club runs, and of course, drag. I may be young, but this is the sh!t I grew up around. My dad raced, my uncle raced, lots of my family members race. You can talk all you want about how great the GT4 is and how we Americans know little because we haven't driven an ST205, etc... but the truth is in the chassis design. You're not gonna easily convince me that an ST205 will simply slaughter an SSIII based on power and drivetrain. I, unlike others, know far better than that. The SSIII will take the corner entries almost everytime. The GT4 has Awesome brakes as Mr_E says, but it's a tank. It weighs what... almost 500 pounds more than an SSIII? The weight difference in a tight track will equalize things. This is EASY to predict. If you have as much experience as you say... you'd agree. Mr_E agrees to some degree, and I agree with his statement that the GT4 will always catch up at the corner exit because of the turbo... but depending on the track, this can be nullified. Think about it before you start worshipping again. Same chassis, same suspension. SSIII gives up only about 50-60 hp and torque... but makes up for it with lightness. Corner entry speeds and n/a response is far better than all-out power dude... especially when the cars are so close.

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Kwanza26 my friend u are talking bull sh it . EVERY SINGLE TIME i tried to catch up magics or tufys gt4 IN ANY ROAD i could only see the rear lights getting smaller. and dont start telling me that i have an SS2 and not than SS3 cos both cars have the same fcuking beams engine.

when i drove a gt4 the main trick about it its the way it sticks on the road. almost never have to really slow down on a corner and that is cos of the 4wd. to turn on the same speed with my car i will meet very closely any field pole or building is on the opposite side of the road

further more i will agree with magic that this i topic with no actual meaning cos u have absolutely no experience with st205


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when i drove a gt4 the main trick about it its the way it sticks on the road. almost never have to really slow down on a corner and that is cos of the 4wd. to turn on the same speed with my car i will meet very closely any field pole or building is on the opposite side of the road

And this is garbage too. 4wd doesn't change the laws of physics. The Four doesn't grip like hell because it's 4wd. It grips like hell because it's got trick suspension and huge great sticky tyres.

The SSIII also has this. What the SSIII cannot do is allow the driver to get back on the power early, as it will simply understeer off the road. That is where the Four is crushingly effective. Huge brakes scrub the speed off, decent suspension gets it turned in and then a huge shove of turbo torque (and it's torque that matters) hooks up all four wheels and fires you down the next straight bit. The extra power is probably eaten up compensating for the complex drivetrain and extra mass.

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when i drove a gt4 the main trick about it its the way it sticks on the road. almost never have to really slow down on a corner and that is cos of the 4wd. to turn on the same speed with my car i will meet very closely any field pole or building is on the opposite side of the road

And this is garbage too. 4wd doesn't change the laws of physics. The Four doesn't grip like hell because it's 4wd. It grips like hell because it's got trick suspension and huge great sticky tyres.

The SSIII also has this. What the SSIII cannot do is allow the driver to get back on the power early, as it will simply understeer off the road. That is where the Four is crushingly effective. Huge brakes scrub the speed off, decent suspension gets it turned in and then a huge shove of turbo torque (and it's torque that matters) hooks up all four wheels and fires you down the next straight bit. The extra power is probably eaten up compensating for the complex drivetrain and extra mass.
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can u over steer with a fwd car?