want 3s-gte motor Options

[blaque_6thGen]

Hey, guys. Right now I have a 1997 ST with 7a-fe, auto transmission. I want to do a complete conversion to a 3s-gte, manual transmission. I was wondering if anyone has a 3s-gte motor that they are trying to sell or if they know of a place that i can get one. Thanks guys!

This post has been edited by blaque_6thGen: Feb 8, 2005 - 2:05 PM

[Mr2swift]

Well for starters I did not try and sell anyone in this thread anything. In fact, I have not had a 4agze front clip in stock for sometime now. I have had a few ask if I had it available but I have not had any in for sometime so when you say I am here to make a sell is very misleading. In fact, I have had probably 5 times more 3sgte front and rear clips then 4agze front and rear clips.

As for wiring, you are going to rewire NO MATTER WHAT you swap into your celica unless its a replacement engine. With that said, 2nd gen 3sgte's will have a different wire scheme then a 3rd gen 3sgte. In fact, unless you get a 3rd gen 3sgte, then your wiring will be noticably different on a 6th gen Celica.

There are schematics at several different web pages for the 4agze. You can get them from club 4ag, Mr2 message boards, and heck I have a diagram as well so I am a bit confused when you say there are no diagrams.

I have no quarell, but when you said whoever told you to go 4agze doesn't know wtf they are talking about and to get advise from someone else leads me to believe you might not know what you are talking about and therfore you are negating options for the St owners.

Here is a quick break down for the St owners as I know it. If you are going to go with a 3sgte, the 7afe transmission is questionable in my opinion. Jumping about 100ftlbs+ torque might not last to long. Now I want to stress that it is up to the driver as you can pound the heck out of the stock trans with the stock motor and blow it and therfore you will be that much closer to failure on a higher output engine like the 3sgte so if you choose to keep your stock 7a trans just take it easy and you might never have any problems. With that said, I believe the consensus is to get the Lsd trans from an Mr2. Okay, well that is an additional 600-1k dollars added to the project not to mention you have to modify the shifter linkage because the Mr2 shifter linkage is on the opposite side. So now your 2500 dollar 3sgte project has just jumped to 3500 and we have not tackled parts to freshen your engine up. The 4agze is from a Corolla which is front engine mounted and therefor shifter linkage modification is non existant AND it comes with the front clip. Ease of bolting your engine and drivetrain up is the most important aspect all future swap owners should be looking for as you are going to rewire regardless. So to me, modification and or fabrication is what most novices like us are trying to avoid.

If ones budget could not suffice a 3sgte then the 4agze is readily available for about 1k less after its all said and done. Its obvious the 3sgte has more potential for bigger hp numbers but not everyone likes turbo. Some people like s/ced cars and some people like to be different then you. With that said the 4agze/7agze option is a cheaper way to get toyota OEM forced induced power and if you want to modify the 4agze it is well equipped to handle it as long as you tune it properly if you are pushing ample ponies.

Finally, you will rewire a 2nd gen 3sgte, 3rd gen 3sgte, 4age, and 4agze. The same number of wires will have to be interfaced with your existing efi to get it to start no matter what swap you choose. The beauty of Toyota is when you open up the Jdm ecu's EVERY SINGLE PIN IS MARKED! That means if you have a diagram of your ecu pinouts it makes interfacing that much easier. Not here to give you a hard time or to make a sell, as I am a Toyota enthusist who has and will always give back to the Toyota community and I love to talk Toyota swaps and just Toyota talk, don't you?

Ron (951) 283-3778
Motors Unlimited