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post Mar 14, 2005 - 2:13 AM
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Hey guys -

Alright - im not sure if anyone knows but im looking for a celica to buy and once i get it i am going to swap in the 3s-gte engine into it, irregardless.
Ive been getting some pressure from some different people in my family to make sure i look around before i get my heart set on the celica.
the only thing that bothers me about the celica is the headlights.. they are not my favorite at all, but i love the rest of the car and of course, the 3s-gte swap will be FAST. which is what im looking for a cheap fast car. Anyhow
so the topic of a Honda prelude popped up 4th or 5th gen

Basically the honda prelude has a vtec head and it puts out around 200 bhps the car weighs 2900lbs
I like the look of the honda - also it would not be a turboe'd engine and i know that would ease my mothers sufferings a little bit - but its not a big deal
anyhow so i joined a honda forum (sucks ass compared to here) and have been asking the guys the same questions im asking you guys now
the response i get from them is kind of typical but i was hoping you guys could fill me in on what you thought

Which is faster 94-99 celica gt with 225hps second gen 3s-gte swap OR
91-02 honda prelude with honda vtec sporting 200hps
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Any ideas - or technical differences that could be outlined for me would be great.
Remeber - all that i am looking to do is outrun my friends Mazda MX-3 GS which has 200 hps and is light! 2600lbs (maybe less)

Which car would be more reliable? I am leaning towards the Celica for several reasons - one i love how the car looks from the side - similar to a supra (same swoops over the hatch) I love the idea of the 3s-gte engine's speed - also No One Owns A toyota Celica where i live! No ONE! i have not seen one but then again i live in montana.. so anyhow
and i see preludes all the time..
anyhow - if you have an opinion def voice it, but dont just state it.. back it up with supports. Also it must be in MLA FORMAT 12pt font 1.5 pages double spaced due monday.
bah sorry school crept in there.
thanks in advance
later
nobody
 
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post Mar 14, 2005 - 2:44 AM
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couple things
88-91 prelude = 3rd gen
never came with VTEC
looks better than any celica ever IMO (but Im biased...I own one biggrin.gif)
but the 3rd gen has very little aftermarket support
with an h22 (4th and 5th gen VTEC engine) the 3rd gen will be as fast, if not faster than the celica with the 3sgte...and you can still turbo it


92-96 = 4th gen...kind of ugly...pretty ghey space ship theme interior (digital gauges all the way across the dash)
the good thing about these is they are lighter than the 5th gen and already have a VTEC engine (well...not all of them did...) but they are about 200 lbs heavier than the 3rd gen

97-01 = 5th gen
all of them came with VTEC
kinda heavy cars...
very sexy interior and exterior (no celica ever built could ever compete..)
lots of aftermarket

its really a toss up...
the 6th gen celica isnt much faster out of the box than a 3rd gen prelude...a 4th or 5th gen VTEC would be a bit faster
I personally think my 3rd gen handles better than my buddies 6th gen...some disagree...*shrug*
I also find the interiors of the hondas more roomy...and thats a HUGE factor for me...
I'm 6'4" and 250 lbs...there better be some damn room
post Mar 14, 2005 - 12:57 PM
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QUOTE(tsiah @ Mar 14, 2005 - 7:44 AM)
couple things
88-91 prelude = 3rd gen
never came with VTEC
looks better than any celica ever IMO (but Im biased...I own one biggrin.gif)
but the 3rd gen has very little aftermarket support
with an h22 (4th and 5th gen VTEC engine) the 3rd gen will be as fast, if not faster than the celica with the 3sgte...and you can still turbo it


92-96 = 4th gen...kind of ugly...pretty ghey space ship theme interior (digital gauges all the way across the dash)
the good thing about these is they are lighter than the 5th gen and already have a VTEC engine (well...not all of them did...) but they are about 200 lbs heavier than the 3rd gen

97-01 = 5th gen
all of them came with VTEC
kinda heavy cars...
very sexy interior and exterior (no celica ever built could ever compete..)
lots of aftermarket

its really a toss up...
the 6th gen celica isnt much faster out of the box than a 3rd gen prelude...a 4th or 5th gen VTEC would be a bit faster
I personally think my 3rd gen handles better than my buddies 6th gen...some disagree...*shrug*
I also find the interiors of the hondas more roomy...and thats a HUGE factor for me...
I'm 6'4" and 250 lbs...there better be some damn room
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The 4th gens DID NOT all come w/ Vtec. Only the VTEC edition.

The 4th gen vtec ludes will run a low 15 sec 1/4th stock. A 3S celi should be able to hit mid 14s if you can drive. Celis are hotter imo, but ludes are cool too.


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The Slow Celica - Sold...and then crushed crushed due to street racing.

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post Mar 14, 2005 - 7:05 PM
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QUOTE(SlowCelica94 @ Mar 14, 2005 - 5:57 PM)
QUOTE(tsiah @ Mar 14, 2005 - 7:44 AM)


92-96 = 4th gen...kind of ugly...pretty ghey space ship theme interior (digital gauges all the way across the dash)
the good thing about these is they are lighter than the 5th gen and already have a VTEC engine (well...not all of them did...) but they are about 200 lbs heavier than the 3rd gen

[right][snapback]257032[/snapback][/right]

The 4th gens DID NOT all come w/ Vtec. Only the VTEC edition.

The 4th gen vtec ludes will run a low 15 sec 1/4th stock. A 3S celi should be able to hit mid 14s if you can drive. Celis are hotter imo, but ludes are cool too.
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learn to read, clown...

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- nObOdy   Celica - Prelude   Mar 14, 2005 - 2:13 AM
- - Coomer   If all you're looking to do is buy a car that...   Mar 14, 2005 - 2:21 AM
- - nObOdy   Cause its gotta look good - be reliable enough to ...   Mar 14, 2005 - 2:24 AM
- - Coomer   Oh ok, well in that case, I'd probably go with...   Mar 14, 2005 - 2:29 AM
- - nObOdy   Alright hypothetical question - Will it be able to...   Mar 14, 2005 - 2:31 AM
|- - Coomer   QUOTE(nObOdy @ Mar 13, 2005 - 11:31 PM)Alrigh...   Mar 14, 2005 - 2:35 AM
- - nObOdy   Alright cool - thanks for your opinion coomer - th...   Mar 14, 2005 - 2:39 AM
- - tsiah   couple things 88-91 prelude = 3rd gen never came ...   Mar 14, 2005 - 2:44 AM
|- - SlowCelica94   QUOTE(tsiah @ Mar 14, 2005 - 7:44 AM)couple t...   Mar 14, 2005 - 12:57 PM
|- - tsiah   QUOTE(SlowCelica94 @ Mar 14, 2005 - 5:57 PM)Q...   Mar 14, 2005 - 7:05 PM
- - nightrider   get a ST202 6th gen and add NOS, no Honda can keep...   Mar 14, 2005 - 8:34 AM
- - shin   personally i think the celi is faster. better torq...   Mar 14, 2005 - 10:06 AM
- - 2003cbgts   dude.. do yourself a big favor and get the celica....   Mar 14, 2005 - 11:47 AM
- - Kwanza26   Those VTEC ludes are no joke... and not just anyon...   Mar 14, 2005 - 12:06 PM
- - Digndoug   Keep in mind, if you get a celica you are getting ...   Mar 14, 2005 - 12:26 PM
- - celicaboston1983   4TH gen ludes are cramped and uncomfortable and i...   Mar 14, 2005 - 1:41 PM
|- - tsiah   QUOTE(celicaboston1983 @ Mar 14, 2005 - 6:41 ...   Mar 23, 2005 - 5:50 AM
- - orvillescelica   Is this your first car? or more specifically is th...   Mar 14, 2005 - 2:28 PM
- - boosted_K2   agree verbatim with orville the bumble-bee   Mar 14, 2005 - 8:18 PM
- - slipgun   I looked at the same two cars as you, Lude is nice...   Mar 14, 2005 - 10:00 PM
- - pr_caralho   3s-gte is all about uniqueness, its fast, potentia...   Mar 14, 2005 - 11:08 PM
- - tomazws   Why not the MR2? Even though it's a lot more ...   Mar 14, 2005 - 11:57 PM
- - lagos   QUOTE(Coomer @ Mar 14, 2005 - 2:29 AM)Oh ok, ...   Mar 15, 2005 - 1:13 PM
|- - saleeka   how much power the 3S-GTE puts out depends on the ...   Mar 15, 2005 - 7:29 PM
- - nObOdy   Does anyone know how much torque the 3s-gte engine...   Mar 15, 2005 - 6:46 PM
- - soltrain   QUOTE(orvillescelica @ Mar 14, 2005 - 7:28 PM...   Mar 15, 2005 - 7:13 PM
- - nObOdy   I know how much horsepower they have - how much TO...   Mar 15, 2005 - 8:09 PM
|- - ghostdog   QUOTE(nObOdy @ Mar 15, 2005 - 9:09 PM)I know ...   Mar 15, 2005 - 8:50 PM
- - recneps   if youve got the 10 grand to spend on a celi and a...   Mar 15, 2005 - 11:15 PM
|- - ghostdog   I'm sorry but what in gods name are you talkin...   Mar 15, 2005 - 11:40 PM
- - nObOdy   Um isnt that stating weight in lbs?? and not torqu...   Mar 15, 2005 - 11:35 PM
- - wind   QUOTE(recneps @ Mar 16, 2005 - 4:15 AM)if you...   Mar 16, 2005 - 12:46 AM
- - prpnum1   QUOTEif youve got the 10 grand to spend on a celi ...   Mar 16, 2005 - 1:16 AM
- - Kwanza26   His argument makes fine sense to me. Torque doesn...   Mar 16, 2005 - 1:26 AM
- - soltrain   "Um isnt that stating weight in lbs?? and not...   Mar 16, 2005 - 1:49 AM
- - nObOdy   lol i thought he was talking the engine weight....   Mar 16, 2005 - 3:50 AM
- - lagos   i have never came accross a 7th gen that was even ...   Mar 16, 2005 - 8:17 AM
- - presure2   QUOTEput the two cars on a dyno and then you can r...   Mar 16, 2005 - 8:44 AM
- - nObOdy   alright well first off - i dont have 10k to spend ...   Mar 16, 2005 - 3:31 PM
|- - 946thGenGT   QUOTE(nObOdy @ Mar 16, 2005 - 8:31 PM)can any...   Mar 16, 2005 - 7:06 PM
- - nObOdy   QUOTE(nObOdy @ Mar 16, 2005 - 1:31 PM)alright...   Mar 17, 2005 - 3:31 PM
- - boosted_K2   MR2 - Midship Runabout 2-seater not many turbo mo...   Mar 17, 2005 - 10:31 PM
- - nObOdy   Hrm... did you drive your car very hard? so if i ...   Mar 17, 2005 - 10:47 PM
|- - saleeka   QUOTE(nObOdy @ Mar 17, 2005 - 9:47 PM) you do...   Mar 18, 2005 - 9:07 PM
- - boosted_K2   i autocross and once and a while drag race my car,...   Mar 18, 2005 - 12:33 AM
- - tsiah   well...as far as swapping an h22/h23 into a teg......   Mar 18, 2005 - 1:05 AM
- - ArizonaRed   do you like the honda crx? You could do a swap on ...   Mar 18, 2005 - 12:01 PM
- - easternpiro1   damn... now im worried about getting that loan to ...   Mar 18, 2005 - 12:54 PM
- - hs2g   The 4th Gen Prelude Vtec is running in the mid-low...   Mar 18, 2005 - 3:50 PM
- - nObOdy   It seems as if i will not be performing the 3s-gte...   Mar 19, 2005 - 3:53 PM
- - Digndoug   I think eaither way. Dont buy a car planning on sw...   Mar 19, 2005 - 5:01 PM
- - hs2g   The B18C1 itself is a very powerful engine. Just ...   Mar 19, 2005 - 9:56 PM
- - tsiah   QUOTE(hs2g @ Mar 20, 2005 - 2:56 AM)The B18C1...   Mar 23, 2005 - 4:04 AM


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