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post Mar 14, 2005 - 2:13 AM
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Hey guys -

Alright - im not sure if anyone knows but im looking for a celica to buy and once i get it i am going to swap in the 3s-gte engine into it, irregardless.
Ive been getting some pressure from some different people in my family to make sure i look around before i get my heart set on the celica.
the only thing that bothers me about the celica is the headlights.. they are not my favorite at all, but i love the rest of the car and of course, the 3s-gte swap will be FAST. which is what im looking for a cheap fast car. Anyhow
so the topic of a Honda prelude popped up 4th or 5th gen

Basically the honda prelude has a vtec head and it puts out around 200 bhps the car weighs 2900lbs
I like the look of the honda - also it would not be a turboe'd engine and i know that would ease my mothers sufferings a little bit - but its not a big deal
anyhow so i joined a honda forum (sucks ass compared to here) and have been asking the guys the same questions im asking you guys now
the response i get from them is kind of typical but i was hoping you guys could fill me in on what you thought

Which is faster 94-99 celica gt with 225hps second gen 3s-gte swap OR
91-02 honda prelude with honda vtec sporting 200hps
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Any ideas - or technical differences that could be outlined for me would be great.
Remeber - all that i am looking to do is outrun my friends Mazda MX-3 GS which has 200 hps and is light! 2600lbs (maybe less)

Which car would be more reliable? I am leaning towards the Celica for several reasons - one i love how the car looks from the side - similar to a supra (same swoops over the hatch) I love the idea of the 3s-gte engine's speed - also No One Owns A toyota Celica where i live! No ONE! i have not seen one but then again i live in montana.. so anyhow
and i see preludes all the time..
anyhow - if you have an opinion def voice it, but dont just state it.. back it up with supports. Also it must be in MLA FORMAT 12pt font 1.5 pages double spaced due monday.
bah sorry school crept in there.
thanks in advance
later
nobody
 
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post Mar 17, 2005 - 10:31 PM
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MR2 - Midship Runabout 2-seater

not many turbo motors live 196,000+ miles without needing a major overhaul... and ESPECIALLY if they are modded. a turbo is supposed to be rebuilt every ~60,000 miles... turbo rebuilds cost around 500 + labor fees, and can total around 700 bucks on average if you send it out to a source like majestic turbo. only one car i know of has pushed severe HP numbers on an original motor, and as most people who do alot of 3sgte research know, im talking about hyde... and that motor is 1 in a million, ive never heard of any other 3sgte motor making it 200,000 miles under the conditions he puts that car though, his maintanence routine is borderline obsessive, and he knows how to keep that thing running (though i do think he deliborately killed it at the end of last season)

my point is "reliable" depends on who you are buying it from, and what they did to it... my 1997 Celica i purchased in 2001 had 54,000 miles on it when i purchased it from a dealership... within a year and a half i had to have the transmission rebuilt AND the motor rebuilt due to unrelated problems.

as for my "almightly 3sgte" in my MR2, i had to replace the turbo on my MR2 within 6 months of owning it when the previous owner showed me receipts of the turbo being rebuilt no more than 15k miles ago... the wastegate went bad on it and also i think the bearing was binding up. i also had to replace a cracked valve cover gasket, the speedgear broke in the transmission and i had to replace that, the oil drain plug gasket was leaking, and one of the bracket clasps for the shift linkage fell off as i was leaving a gas station to go up to school. i ended up driving 4 hours that day with only 1st, 3rd, and 5th gears, no reverse. and im just mentioning all the motor/trans related problem maintanence ive had to do, that doesnt include all the preventitive maintanence and improvements ive made on this car within the last year and a half ive owned it... and all this on a motor that was supposedly completely rebuilt 15k miles prior to me purchasing it (and i know for a fact all the dates and milage because i have all the receipts)... all im saying is the name "toyota" is only half the equasion to a reliable car


if you are just looking for something "quick" to beat your buddies cars and dont really have a specific purpose in mind besides driving it from A to B and dicking around on weekends... you are lining yourself up for way too much trouble trying to perform a swap... i will tell you and those who have done these swaps will also tell you, 75% of the fun is the build up process and getting dirty and doing it yourself, only 25% is driving it afterwards thats why so many people who have such radical cars usually dont keep them for very long... they will build them, drive them for a little while, and sell it or tear it down and start over.


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- nObOdy   Celica - Prelude   Mar 14, 2005 - 2:13 AM
- - Coomer   If all you're looking to do is buy a car that...   Mar 14, 2005 - 2:21 AM
- - nObOdy   Cause its gotta look good - be reliable enough to ...   Mar 14, 2005 - 2:24 AM
- - Coomer   Oh ok, well in that case, I'd probably go with...   Mar 14, 2005 - 2:29 AM
- - nObOdy   Alright hypothetical question - Will it be able to...   Mar 14, 2005 - 2:31 AM
|- - Coomer   QUOTE(nObOdy @ Mar 13, 2005 - 11:31 PM)Alrigh...   Mar 14, 2005 - 2:35 AM
- - nObOdy   Alright cool - thanks for your opinion coomer - th...   Mar 14, 2005 - 2:39 AM
- - tsiah   couple things 88-91 prelude = 3rd gen never came ...   Mar 14, 2005 - 2:44 AM
|- - SlowCelica94   QUOTE(tsiah @ Mar 14, 2005 - 7:44 AM)couple t...   Mar 14, 2005 - 12:57 PM
|- - tsiah   QUOTE(SlowCelica94 @ Mar 14, 2005 - 5:57 PM)Q...   Mar 14, 2005 - 7:05 PM
- - nightrider   get a ST202 6th gen and add NOS, no Honda can keep...   Mar 14, 2005 - 8:34 AM
- - shin   personally i think the celi is faster. better torq...   Mar 14, 2005 - 10:06 AM
- - 2003cbgts   dude.. do yourself a big favor and get the celica....   Mar 14, 2005 - 11:47 AM
- - Kwanza26   Those VTEC ludes are no joke... and not just anyon...   Mar 14, 2005 - 12:06 PM
- - Digndoug   Keep in mind, if you get a celica you are getting ...   Mar 14, 2005 - 12:26 PM
- - celicaboston1983   4TH gen ludes are cramped and uncomfortable and i...   Mar 14, 2005 - 1:41 PM
|- - tsiah   QUOTE(celicaboston1983 @ Mar 14, 2005 - 6:41 ...   Mar 23, 2005 - 5:50 AM
- - orvillescelica   Is this your first car? or more specifically is th...   Mar 14, 2005 - 2:28 PM
- - boosted_K2   agree verbatim with orville the bumble-bee   Mar 14, 2005 - 8:18 PM
- - slipgun   I looked at the same two cars as you, Lude is nice...   Mar 14, 2005 - 10:00 PM
- - pr_caralho   3s-gte is all about uniqueness, its fast, potentia...   Mar 14, 2005 - 11:08 PM
- - tomazws   Why not the MR2? Even though it's a lot more ...   Mar 14, 2005 - 11:57 PM
- - lagos   QUOTE(Coomer @ Mar 14, 2005 - 2:29 AM)Oh ok, ...   Mar 15, 2005 - 1:13 PM
|- - saleeka   how much power the 3S-GTE puts out depends on the ...   Mar 15, 2005 - 7:29 PM
- - nObOdy   Does anyone know how much torque the 3s-gte engine...   Mar 15, 2005 - 6:46 PM
- - soltrain   QUOTE(orvillescelica @ Mar 14, 2005 - 7:28 PM...   Mar 15, 2005 - 7:13 PM
- - nObOdy   I know how much horsepower they have - how much TO...   Mar 15, 2005 - 8:09 PM
|- - ghostdog   QUOTE(nObOdy @ Mar 15, 2005 - 9:09 PM)I know ...   Mar 15, 2005 - 8:50 PM
- - recneps   if youve got the 10 grand to spend on a celi and a...   Mar 15, 2005 - 11:15 PM
|- - ghostdog   I'm sorry but what in gods name are you talkin...   Mar 15, 2005 - 11:40 PM
- - nObOdy   Um isnt that stating weight in lbs?? and not torqu...   Mar 15, 2005 - 11:35 PM
- - wind   QUOTE(recneps @ Mar 16, 2005 - 4:15 AM)if you...   Mar 16, 2005 - 12:46 AM
- - prpnum1   QUOTEif youve got the 10 grand to spend on a celi ...   Mar 16, 2005 - 1:16 AM
- - Kwanza26   His argument makes fine sense to me. Torque doesn...   Mar 16, 2005 - 1:26 AM
- - soltrain   "Um isnt that stating weight in lbs?? and not...   Mar 16, 2005 - 1:49 AM
- - nObOdy   lol i thought he was talking the engine weight....   Mar 16, 2005 - 3:50 AM
- - lagos   i have never came accross a 7th gen that was even ...   Mar 16, 2005 - 8:17 AM
- - presure2   QUOTEput the two cars on a dyno and then you can r...   Mar 16, 2005 - 8:44 AM
- - nObOdy   alright well first off - i dont have 10k to spend ...   Mar 16, 2005 - 3:31 PM
|- - 946thGenGT   QUOTE(nObOdy @ Mar 16, 2005 - 8:31 PM)can any...   Mar 16, 2005 - 7:06 PM
- - nObOdy   QUOTE(nObOdy @ Mar 16, 2005 - 1:31 PM)alright...   Mar 17, 2005 - 3:31 PM
- - boosted_K2   MR2 - Midship Runabout 2-seater not many turbo mo...   Mar 17, 2005 - 10:31 PM
- - nObOdy   Hrm... did you drive your car very hard? so if i ...   Mar 17, 2005 - 10:47 PM
|- - saleeka   QUOTE(nObOdy @ Mar 17, 2005 - 9:47 PM) you do...   Mar 18, 2005 - 9:07 PM
- - boosted_K2   i autocross and once and a while drag race my car,...   Mar 18, 2005 - 12:33 AM
- - tsiah   well...as far as swapping an h22/h23 into a teg......   Mar 18, 2005 - 1:05 AM
- - ArizonaRed   do you like the honda crx? You could do a swap on ...   Mar 18, 2005 - 12:01 PM
- - easternpiro1   damn... now im worried about getting that loan to ...   Mar 18, 2005 - 12:54 PM
- - hs2g   The 4th Gen Prelude Vtec is running in the mid-low...   Mar 18, 2005 - 3:50 PM
- - nObOdy   It seems as if i will not be performing the 3s-gte...   Mar 19, 2005 - 3:53 PM
- - Digndoug   I think eaither way. Dont buy a car planning on sw...   Mar 19, 2005 - 5:01 PM
- - hs2g   The B18C1 itself is a very powerful engine. Just ...   Mar 19, 2005 - 9:56 PM
- - tsiah   QUOTE(hs2g @ Mar 20, 2005 - 2:56 AM)The B18C1...   Mar 23, 2005 - 4:04 AM


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