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post Apr 22, 2005 - 12:34 AM
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On a NA car, and using the Apex I intake, you think this setup would gain more HP than the standard CAI?

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post Apr 22, 2005 - 3:03 PM
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Like i stated, it will cause positve pressure, but nothing of any significance that will increase HP. If you want to do the numbers yourself, i simply used the basic isentropic flow relations assuming that the stagnation pressure will be intake pressure. That is actually a very very bad assumption since the flow is not going through the intake head on, but through a filter, then through a length of pipe. Even the use of the isentropic relation is not accurate since there is bound to be heat addition as the flow goes from the filter to the intake manifold past the engine. But if you want to crank the numbers modeling this as a 2-D, adiabatic flow problem, then be my guest.

Im not saying it wont increase performance, because my bet is it will. But it will be a more effective CAI and thats it. Since you are getting intake air directly from outside as it is moving, it will be much cooler than any air that you will find in your engine bay. But you dont want to 'trap' air and try to force it through the filter. Any trapped air will loose velocity and thus be subjected to heat transfer from the engine, or any part of you car. If you keep the CAI in a moving air flow, as race teams do, then you will be getting intial intake air at standard atmospheric temperature, unsubjecated to any heat transfer before entering the filter.


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Posts in this topic
- erics1one   Would this gain any additional HP?   Apr 22, 2005 - 12:34 AM
- - GT4WRC   In a word - No. Will not give you postive manifold...   Apr 22, 2005 - 12:41 AM
- - erics1one   Would there be noticeable HP gain compared to a st...   Apr 22, 2005 - 12:48 AM
- - 97sccelica   any gains you get wont be felt. and if you do get...   Apr 22, 2005 - 2:43 AM
- - celica3sgte   On paper you'll see a gain of around 5hp w/ a ...   Apr 22, 2005 - 3:51 AM
- - orvillescelica   cruising at about 60mph, youll theoretically get a...   Apr 22, 2005 - 4:19 AM
- - XXX_Mina   does it rain in Phoenix, AZ at all? because if any...   Apr 22, 2005 - 5:33 AM
|- - GT4WRC   QUOTE(XXX_Mina @ Apr 22, 2005 - 5:33 AM)CAI i...   Apr 22, 2005 - 3:27 PM
- - playr158   put it this way eric..... i ran my intake exactly ...   Apr 22, 2005 - 7:53 AM
|- - erics1one   QUOTE(playr158 @ Apr 22, 2005 - 5:53 AM)yo DO...   Apr 22, 2005 - 10:53 AM
- - playr158   well testing is drive stock filter replace with n...   Apr 22, 2005 - 11:02 AM
- - lagos   there is no way to create boost from a cold air in...   Apr 22, 2005 - 11:24 AM
- - erics1one   *changed subject: I'm not trying to accomplish...   Apr 22, 2005 - 11:45 AM
- - Supersprynt   You have a turbo already, why do you care about ra...   Apr 22, 2005 - 12:15 PM
|- - erics1one   QUOTE(Supersprynt @ Apr 22, 2005 - 10:15 AM)Y...   Apr 22, 2005 - 12:41 PM
- - Bigmeanbulldog55   You'll get positive pressure. I'm working...   Apr 22, 2005 - 12:20 PM
- - playr158   he's not running turbo super READ and yes you...   Apr 22, 2005 - 12:27 PM
- - orvillescelica   Like i stated, it will cause positve pressure, but...   Apr 22, 2005 - 3:03 PM
- - erics1one   Thanks orville, you obviously know the more techni...   Apr 22, 2005 - 3:31 PM
- - lagos   QUOTE(erics1one @ Apr 22, 2005 - 3:31 PM)Stil...   Apr 22, 2005 - 4:46 PM
- - playr158   nope don't run into any water issues because j...   Apr 22, 2005 - 5:16 PM
- - erics1one   ....coming from someone who has actually done it ...   Apr 22, 2005 - 5:21 PM
- - XXX_Mina   why dont you use Co2 sprayers on the intake pipe.....   Apr 22, 2005 - 10:32 PM


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