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post Apr 25, 2005 - 3:03 PM
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Hey everybody!

I need some help. I'm looking for aftermarket potential on the 20v silvertop. Something other than "Blitz turbo" and "why not blacktop." Because I cant afford the Blitz turbo and the blacktop is weak IMO after doing research. I need something like internals, manifolds, etc. Any help is appriciated.

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post Apr 25, 2005 - 3:15 PM
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There's a huge aftermarket for all 4A-GE motors, but most stuff made specifically for the 20V ones can't be found cheaply in the US(Well, not cheap at all, but even more expensive in the US.) wink.gif

For pistons, you can use 4A-GZE pistons, but unless you have them cut for the indent for the extra valve, it turns the motor into an interference motor, where if the timing belt breaks your pistons will hit your valves and do severe damage.

The silvertop's block, crank, and rods are equivalent in strength to the AE101 4A-GZE's block, crank, and rods. Some people say that the rods are exactly the same, but everyone always argues that they're not the same, but very close and equal in strength.

For exhaust manifolds, anything that fits a 16v 4A-GE will fit a 20v with modification so that the outer bolt holes match up. Nik is working on fitting a Honda B-series turbo manifold to a 16v 4A-GE flange...that might be a good option for a turbo setup. You will most likely have to go custom on the exhaust manifold.

The motor is really good for boost...the stock head gasket and such is fine for mild boost. In stock form at 5-6 PSI with exhaust, I've seen numbers from 185 whp to 215 whp. The key is tuning. It's very important with any turbo setup, but more so with a motor running 10.5:1 compression.

For more boost and more reliability, 4A-GZE pistons are a good upgrade. They bolt in and lower compression to 8.0:1 or 8.9:1, depending on which pistons you get.

Also, when running more than a few pounds of boost, a new intake manifold plenum is required, as the stock unit will leak or be destroyed by lots of boost.

You'll most likely want to go with a standalone EMS if you're going turbo. Many people go with Megasquirt(and a Ford EDIS-4 ignition setup) for a low-cost solution. The AFM sucks for boost, and you need to be able to precision tune everything(and you'll want to get the car dyno-tuned professionally) if you want a reliable setup.

But yeah, the silvertop is a great motor and is excellent for boost. I considered boosting mine, but I've decided to invest in a new camera and stuff instead.

If you've got more specific questions, post 'em up if they haven't been answered through searching.


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- turboinduction   4AGE 20v   Apr 25, 2005 - 3:03 PM
- - Coomer   There's a huge aftermarket for all 4A-GE motor...   Apr 25, 2005 - 3:15 PM
- - Coomer   By the way, if you do put in the 4A-GZE pistons, y...   Apr 25, 2005 - 3:28 PM
- - FallenHero   Were you looking to go NA? If so, find a nice hea...   Apr 25, 2005 - 7:56 PM
|- - Coomer   QUOTE(FallenHero @ Apr 25, 2005 - 5:56 PM)Wer...   Apr 25, 2005 - 9:20 PM
- - turboinduction   Thanks for all the help guys. I'd like to run...   Apr 25, 2005 - 9:29 PM
|- - FallenHero   QUOTE(turboinduction @ Apr 25, 2005 - 7:29 PM...   Apr 26, 2005 - 12:05 AM
- - Coomer   You can't easily get 180-200 whp N/A out of a ...   Apr 26, 2005 - 12:15 AM
|- - turboinduction   QUOTE(Coomer @ Apr 25, 2005 - 11:15 PM)You ca...   Apr 26, 2005 - 6:32 AM
- - FallenHero   Youre working on a AW11? I yern for such a projec...   Apr 26, 2005 - 10:39 AM
|- - turboinduction   QUOTE(FallenHero @ Apr 26, 2005 - 9:39 AM)You...   Apr 26, 2005 - 8:21 PM
- - FallenHero   nice. Build yourself a smallport 16valve and bo...   Apr 26, 2005 - 10:25 PM
|- - turboinduction   QUOTE(FallenHero @ Apr 26, 2005 - 9:25 PM)nic...   Apr 26, 2005 - 10:44 PM
- - turboinduction   what would you do for intake on a 20v boosted? -T...   Apr 28, 2005 - 7:04 AM
|- - Kwanza26   QUOTE(turboinduction @ Apr 28, 2005 - 12:04 P...   Apr 28, 2005 - 10:26 AM
|- - turboinduction   QUOTE(Kwanza26 @ Apr 28, 2005 - 9:26 AM)QUOTE...   Apr 28, 2005 - 10:59 AM
|- - Kwanza26   QUOTE(turboinduction @ Apr 28, 2005 - 3:59 PM...   Apr 28, 2005 - 11:13 AM
|- - turboinduction   QUOTE(Kwanza26 @ Apr 28, 2005 - 10:13 AM)=P ...   Apr 28, 2005 - 12:32 PM
- - maikl   http://www.todaracing.com.au/toda_home.html they h...   Apr 28, 2005 - 10:48 AM
|- - turboinduction   QUOTE(maikl @ Apr 28, 2005 - 9:48 AM)http://w...   Apr 28, 2005 - 11:02 AM
- - Coomer   Like I said earlier, the pistons work, they just t...   Apr 28, 2005 - 2:30 PM
|- - turboinduction   QUOTE(Coomer @ Apr 28, 2005 - 1:30 PM)Like I ...   Apr 28, 2005 - 3:47 PM
- - Coomer   Hmm, you have a ton of researching to do before yo...   Apr 28, 2005 - 3:57 PM
|- - nik   here 20 VALVE FORGED TURBO PISTONS 8.5:1 @ http:/...   Apr 28, 2005 - 4:25 PM
|- - turboinduction   QUOTE(Coomer @ Apr 28, 2005 - 2:57 PM)Hmm, yo...   Apr 28, 2005 - 8:58 PM
- - frotou   http://forums.club4ag.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=94447...   Apr 28, 2005 - 4:32 PM
- - Kwanza26   Toda doesn't make low-comp anything because th...   Apr 28, 2005 - 6:16 PM
- - turboinduction   anyone know?   Apr 29, 2005 - 1:57 PM
- - Coomer   As I understand it, a higher lift pushes the valve...   Apr 29, 2005 - 2:51 PM
|- - turboinduction   QUOTE(Coomer @ Apr 29, 2005 - 1:51 PM)As I un...   Apr 29, 2005 - 5:17 PM
|- - Coomer   QUOTE(turboinduction @ Apr 29, 2005 - 3:17 PM...   Apr 29, 2005 - 5:24 PM
- - frotou   Catcams are listed for the 20 valves but better to...   Apr 29, 2005 - 5:58 PM
- - frotou   http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAP...me=ST...   Apr 29, 2005 - 8:48 PM
- - turboinduction   hrm - seems like I'll have to do a little more...   Apr 29, 2005 - 9:03 PM
- - Dr_Tweak   With cams, you have to watch the overlap. Overlap ...   Apr 29, 2005 - 9:56 PM
- - turboinduction   So stock overlap would keep VVTi in check, but may...   Apr 30, 2005 - 6:49 AM
- - Dr_Tweak   A lot of people do that, yeah.   May 2, 2005 - 4:58 AM
|- - turboinduction   QUOTE(raven_101 @ May 2, 2005 - 3:58 AM)A lot...   May 2, 2005 - 11:53 AM
- - nik   if your still looking for pistons the guys over on...   May 4, 2005 - 10:55 AM


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