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post Apr 25, 2005 - 3:03 PM
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Hey everybody!

I need some help. I'm looking for aftermarket potential on the 20v silvertop. Something other than "Blitz turbo" and "why not blacktop." Because I cant afford the Blitz turbo and the blacktop is weak IMO after doing research. I need something like internals, manifolds, etc. Any help is appriciated.

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post Apr 28, 2005 - 3:57 PM
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Hmm, you have a ton of researching to do before you begin a project like this.

An interference motor is one where it's possible for the pistons to hit the valves if a timing belt breaks. Off the top of my head, I think that some Honda motors are...I know that the B20A in the third gen. Prelude is, as my friend just had her timing belt break, so I did some research into whether it was non-interference or not.

If Toda doesn't list low compression pistons for the AE101 4A-GE, then they probably don't make them, and I doubt they would custom make you a single set...they might, but it'd cost a ton of money probably. Why don't you just get 4A-GZE pistons and have them machined?


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post Apr 28, 2005 - 8:58 PM
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QUOTE(Coomer @ Apr 28, 2005 - 2:57 PM)
Hmm, you have a ton of researching to do before you begin a project like this.

An interference motor is one where it's possible for the pistons to hit the valves if a timing belt breaks. Off the top of my head, I think that some Honda motors are...I know that the B20A in the third gen. Prelude is, as my friend just had her timing belt break, so I did some research into whether it was non-interference or not.

If Toda doesn't list low compression pistons for the AE101 4A-GE, then they probably don't make them, and I doubt they would custom make you a single set...they might, but it'd cost a ton of money probably. Why don't you just get 4A-GZE pistons and have them machined?
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I do research smile.gif I'm intellegent, but I am (was) limited to my knowledge. I really only know outside the block. I understand compression, know what cranks and rings are, etc etc. However, I really just take the motor for what it is. I couldn't put one together if I tried. I know suspensions like the back of my hand, and I know parts outside the block fairly well. I'm an electronic guru with 13 years working on computers. Now its time to further more my knowledge. Its time to learn how the internals work. Thus this project. I wont learn until I do it. And I believe that this will be a good lesson for me. It accomplishes two things. One - swaping a motor. And Two - turboing a N/A car. I came out of the DSM line before my toyota and nissan. So I understand turbos, but only since it was pre-built on the 4G block. I will do the research to complete the goals and I have another car to drive (sentra spec-v). So yes, I may sound like a 16 year old newbie wanting to swap a 3S into a 94 ST, but I am more knowledgable than that. I really appriciate the help everyone has given me. When I started this thread I had only known that a 20v existed because of Kwanza and Coomer, besides that I hadn't a clue. Business in the auto industry has been slow, so for the past week I've spent 4+ hours a day reading mr2oc.com posts, googleing to find complete 20v swap how-tos, finding aftermarket parts, and finally researching how the damn engine is put together to begin with. Back on topic, my little knowledge on engines doesn't allow for pricing. Thus my confusion with machining the GZE pistons or buying new ones. I dont have clue how hard it is for a shop to machine new heads on the pistons. Or what the cost. Or where to go, if there is any place in Central Wisconsin for me to go. So, I figure I can install pistons once in hand, so if I can just find them already made - even if more expensive, its better for me. Thats why I'm posting here. Maybe new 800 dollar pistons aren't worth it when Kwanza might know someone that can make them cheaper. Maybe Coomer knows that all it takes is 100 dollar GZE pistons machined to do the job for little money. I'm still much into my knowledge gathering stage and again, appriciate the help you guys give me. Sorry for the long post.

EDIT: Off topic question. Cams. I know what they are, but...
AFtermarket side of them. What does a longer duration and lift do for me. Obviously allows for more air to breathe in to exit. But why wouldn't you want the longest possible time then? How would I know what duration and lift I would need for a project? I really couldn't find much about them on the net other than "I put these cams in to get this effect" but no explaining on how to pick cams at all. I.E. ToySport Cams - half way down

-Ti

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- turboinduction   4AGE 20v   Apr 25, 2005 - 3:03 PM
- - Coomer   There's a huge aftermarket for all 4A-GE motor...   Apr 25, 2005 - 3:15 PM
- - Coomer   By the way, if you do put in the 4A-GZE pistons, y...   Apr 25, 2005 - 3:28 PM
- - FallenHero   Were you looking to go NA? If so, find a nice hea...   Apr 25, 2005 - 7:56 PM
|- - Coomer   QUOTE(FallenHero @ Apr 25, 2005 - 5:56 PM)Wer...   Apr 25, 2005 - 9:20 PM
- - turboinduction   Thanks for all the help guys. I'd like to run...   Apr 25, 2005 - 9:29 PM
|- - FallenHero   QUOTE(turboinduction @ Apr 25, 2005 - 7:29 PM...   Apr 26, 2005 - 12:05 AM
- - Coomer   You can't easily get 180-200 whp N/A out of a ...   Apr 26, 2005 - 12:15 AM
|- - turboinduction   QUOTE(Coomer @ Apr 25, 2005 - 11:15 PM)You ca...   Apr 26, 2005 - 6:32 AM
- - FallenHero   Youre working on a AW11? I yern for such a projec...   Apr 26, 2005 - 10:39 AM
|- - turboinduction   QUOTE(FallenHero @ Apr 26, 2005 - 9:39 AM)You...   Apr 26, 2005 - 8:21 PM
- - FallenHero   nice. Build yourself a smallport 16valve and bo...   Apr 26, 2005 - 10:25 PM
|- - turboinduction   QUOTE(FallenHero @ Apr 26, 2005 - 9:25 PM)nic...   Apr 26, 2005 - 10:44 PM
- - turboinduction   what would you do for intake on a 20v boosted? -T...   Apr 28, 2005 - 7:04 AM
|- - Kwanza26   QUOTE(turboinduction @ Apr 28, 2005 - 12:04 P...   Apr 28, 2005 - 10:26 AM
|- - turboinduction   QUOTE(Kwanza26 @ Apr 28, 2005 - 9:26 AM)QUOTE...   Apr 28, 2005 - 10:59 AM
|- - Kwanza26   QUOTE(turboinduction @ Apr 28, 2005 - 3:59 PM...   Apr 28, 2005 - 11:13 AM
|- - turboinduction   QUOTE(Kwanza26 @ Apr 28, 2005 - 10:13 AM)=P ...   Apr 28, 2005 - 12:32 PM
- - maikl   http://www.todaracing.com.au/toda_home.html they h...   Apr 28, 2005 - 10:48 AM
|- - turboinduction   QUOTE(maikl @ Apr 28, 2005 - 9:48 AM)http://w...   Apr 28, 2005 - 11:02 AM
- - Coomer   Like I said earlier, the pistons work, they just t...   Apr 28, 2005 - 2:30 PM
|- - turboinduction   QUOTE(Coomer @ Apr 28, 2005 - 1:30 PM)Like I ...   Apr 28, 2005 - 3:47 PM
- - Coomer   Hmm, you have a ton of researching to do before yo...   Apr 28, 2005 - 3:57 PM
|- - nik   here 20 VALVE FORGED TURBO PISTONS 8.5:1 @ http:/...   Apr 28, 2005 - 4:25 PM
|- - turboinduction   QUOTE(Coomer @ Apr 28, 2005 - 2:57 PM)Hmm, yo...   Apr 28, 2005 - 8:58 PM
- - frotou   http://forums.club4ag.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=94447...   Apr 28, 2005 - 4:32 PM
- - Kwanza26   Toda doesn't make low-comp anything because th...   Apr 28, 2005 - 6:16 PM
- - turboinduction   anyone know?   Apr 29, 2005 - 1:57 PM
- - Coomer   As I understand it, a higher lift pushes the valve...   Apr 29, 2005 - 2:51 PM
|- - turboinduction   QUOTE(Coomer @ Apr 29, 2005 - 1:51 PM)As I un...   Apr 29, 2005 - 5:17 PM
|- - Coomer   QUOTE(turboinduction @ Apr 29, 2005 - 3:17 PM...   Apr 29, 2005 - 5:24 PM
- - frotou   Catcams are listed for the 20 valves but better to...   Apr 29, 2005 - 5:58 PM
- - frotou   http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAP...me=ST...   Apr 29, 2005 - 8:48 PM
- - turboinduction   hrm - seems like I'll have to do a little more...   Apr 29, 2005 - 9:03 PM
- - Dr_Tweak   With cams, you have to watch the overlap. Overlap ...   Apr 29, 2005 - 9:56 PM
- - turboinduction   So stock overlap would keep VVTi in check, but may...   Apr 30, 2005 - 6:49 AM
- - Dr_Tweak   A lot of people do that, yeah.   May 2, 2005 - 4:58 AM
|- - turboinduction   QUOTE(raven_101 @ May 2, 2005 - 3:58 AM)A lot...   May 2, 2005 - 11:53 AM
- - nik   if your still looking for pistons the guys over on...   May 4, 2005 - 10:55 AM


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