the cops suck thread, why Options

[Terzin1]

why was that thread locked? I mean yes that kid was retarded but you know, was it worth banning? People had some good stories... (sob) I thought I was in a community... (sob)

[Andason]

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First off nothing you've said about law has anything to do with North Carolina law my time in a courtroom has been in a NC courtroom with NC judges and NC lawyers, I don't know anything about the great state of Wisconsin and the laws there, you're telling me you spent all those hours in court just proved to me you know nothing about North Carolina law since Wisconsin schools don't have a need to study NC law, and besides you study Criminal Justice, we get credits for that in high school, what are in community college.
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Are you trying to say my program is worthless? What a pathetic attempt at a rebuttal. Law is generally the same regardless of state. They all generally require the same elements and the wording of the laws are different. Policing procedure is generally the same too because people don't expect to be treated a lot different just because they are in a different state. I was joking about the courtroom making fun of you because this is the internet and I can say whatever I want to in order to make my argument look better.

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I can tell you're a bigot for the simple fact that you disregard the fact that I was in the Marines 2nd CEB (for you simple minded folk, that's Combat Engineer Battalion),
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Wow, that makes you special. An engineer? You must have had barrages of bullets fired at you in the garage. Though an essential part of the military, you just keep the equipment running for the real heros. I have dozens upon dozens of friends stationed in different parts of Iraq (Samarra to name the worst) and I respect them much more because of what they do.
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you act like Wisconsin is the standard. I could do the same thing by saying how would you know anything about law when your cases consist of "my brother slept with my 14 year old daughter and now she is giving birth to my nephew", I know that was cold but like I said I know nothing of Wisconsin same as you don't know anything of North Carolina
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You are deeper south than I am buddy. If you want to look at politics look who went red and look who went blue. You act like NC is above the law, apparently NC is sovereign in creating their own extravagent laws. LAW IS ALMOST ALWAYS THE SAME WHERE YOU GO. Can you commit crimes in NC that you would get away with in WI or vice-versa? Yeah. Exactly.
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but because of the noise ordinance they are stuck with limited room now this city has to shut down these tracks so that the development that just poped up down
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Oh my God... you have NOISE ORDINANCES in NC????? WOW!

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Let's go with a perfect world, in your case Andason, Wisconsin, alright what would happen if there were no street races and everyone followed the rules
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That would be one step closer to utopia and keep idiots like you from abusing the power of their car and killing people. Tell me... what practical use does a 400 horsepower car have?
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the automotive and parts industries will suffer dramatically over this. It sounds far fetched because it's a snow ball effect, but it's highly possible if things were perfect and nobody street raced.
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Wow, you can't possibly be serious. Have you ever not had a car for a few days? Imagine riding your bike to work every day. Automobiles will still be needed and thriving. I don't know about you but your precious massive displacement automobiles are becoming less and less popular and are dying in the market because of gas prices.

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keep telling me I sound ignorant about law, but I do know a little, you know nothing about street racing other than what the media states and of course they make it sound bad, news sales.
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Yeah, because we don't have street racing in Wisconsin. Please list me how street racing benefits society and our community. Your suffered automotive loss argument has already failed.
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I could go on about the Iraq thing because some of the Marines that worked for me are over there and I can relate when they say they feel like Mercs, they feel they aren't fighting for the US anymore, it's a money thing now and they hate the fact that while they sit there guarding some oil field so that Bush can make money off of it, they have to make their families suffer, read the friggin papers, people aren't re-enlisting, and if the draft starts back, while my a** is sitting there with my 240G waiting for those people we "liberated" to attack again, you tell me how it feels to be sitting in the middle of the desert with GRUNT (Ground Unit Untrained) training wishing you could go home and finish that CJ degree instead of sitting there maybe getting killed so Bush doesn't lose a couple million off of a damaged oil field.
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Once again, you sat in a garage. MECHANIC. My friends are all INFANTRY. They make fun of you all day about how you complain how bad you have it. They do not complain why they are there because they know they are helping. You complain cuz you sit in a garage all day.

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Why do I need a vast knowledge of law I have a copy of the NC General Statutes sitting on my desktop, that's how I know that Ch.71A-3 states that Lumbee Indians became an actual tribe in 1977, but didn't get any reparations until 2001, prior to 1977 they were known as the Cherokee Indians of Robeson County or the Croatans.
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WOW. I have a copy of every states statutes sitting at my fingertips... it's called Findlaw.com.
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There are also no known laws to combat organized street racing in NC other than the typical Preemptive Racing law that we learn in driver's ed. Technically the punishment of getting your car empounded when getting busted would fall under chapter 8, but it only refers to witnesses, and paperwork, nothing about keeping a vehicle in an empound yard as physical evidence, but a photograph would work just fine. I can keep looking to see if I can find a real law against street racing but it might take a couple of days, or a bill to pass.
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It falls somewhere under "reckless endangerment, reckless driving" catagory. Look that up in your statutes.
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Since you seemed to ignore me before Andason, I don't specialize in law, I took a Criminal Justice class in high school, I am a computer tech., you ask me why your computer won't boot and I can give you 10 reasons off the top of my head, just like if you don't know you probably look it up.
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Where did you go? Boot camp? Yeah once again, you sit there in air conditioning at a computer and get fatter while cops are in -32 below weather helping people out.
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Street racing is wrong, yes, is there any real laws against it, no. I can tell you the reasons I see, I don't go off what I hear, I go off what facts I can find, and I don't look for Bob's website of facts either, I look at reputable sites such as charlotte.com or ask Rhonda Miller who is a magistrate and my friend, when I stand there while my car is being searched at 11:30pm and ask the narc agents partner why and their only response is they're bored, it burns me up.
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They say they are bored to not come out with the obvious. They aren't going to say we are looking for narcotics.
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You will not change my opinion and if I die in a street race I know I died doing what I loved, instead of taking a bullet to make a man a quick buck.
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You aren't the person I am worried about. It is the person who you hit who doesn't like street racing and has a bright life ahead of them. You end it over your bloodsport.
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I can already tell you're wanting to pull that you'll take someone with you crap, but as before there have been no fatalities due to organized street racing in Charlotte so you might have to wait a while before I tell you how it feels, but I can tell you now that if they died watching or racing, they knew the consequences and I wont have pity for them, you don't do it so don't bother responding about the street racing thing until you actually go out and get a few runs under your belt.
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We were all 16 at one point. So what if there have been no deaths in Charlotte because of street racing? There have been deaths in other places and it is inevitable.
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You can check the NHTSA to find racing laws but remember most organized street races are held outside their jurasdiction and the records they have are based on the "high school kid racing home" B/S that is not organized street racing.
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No street racing is "organized." It is still illegal. Just because you can't find a direct law saying street racing is illegal you have to look at the elements. Speeding, Excessive Excelleration, Reckless driving, Reckless Endangerment, Possible vehicle code violations, etc. Think of how many laws you break on your next "run."

By the way.... who races an unmodified 6gc?


PS i dont know why the quotes didnt work... but you get the idea.

This post has been edited by Andason: May 5, 2005 - 6:27 PM

[darksecret]

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Are you trying to say my program is worthless? What a pathetic attempt at a rebuttal. Law is generally the same regardless of state. They all generally require the same elements and the wording of the laws are different. Policing procedure is generally the same too because people don't expect to be treated a lot different just because they are in a different state. I was joking about the courtroom making fun of you because this is the internet and I can say whatever I want to in order to make my argument look better.

No your program means a lot to Wisconsin, but doesn't help much elsewhere, unless your studys are for federal law. If law was the same everywhere all lawyers could go to school and be able to work in any state, they have state specific lawyers for a reason, just like each state has it's own statutes. The laws derive from a similar source but if I get pulled in Virginia because of a radar detector I fall under Virginia law and it's illegal to have them, doesn't matter if i'm from North Carolina or not. Internet or not this place is a community and I have seen that you don't play well with others, especially Coomer. I feel everyone is entitled to an opinion and that is why I keep up this argument, you won't actually prove me wrong just like I wont actually prove you wrong, there will be people that go both ways, earlier you were acting borderline racist, I can tell by the way you defended, that you hate to see another race get ahead, with todays world I could care less what race they are, if they get ahead for no reason or have ample restitution and still complain then they need to go somewhere else.


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Wow, that makes you special. An engineer? You must have had barrages of bullets fired at you in the garage. Though an essential part of the military, you just keep the equipment running for the real heros. I have dozens upon dozens of friends stationed in different parts of Iraq (Samarra to name the worst) and I respect them much more because of what they do.

I take it you fall under that simple minded folk catagory, just like lawyers, engineers have different fields, mine was "combat" we were infantry with explosives, our job was to go into a city or enemy base before the infantry and blow the h*** out of it, we didn't build bridges or camps (that's Army CE's) we worked beside Marine Recon to give the enemy as much s*** as we could so that our "heros" wont get their a** shot off trying to infiltrate a base, an argument about the military is one you will definitly lose with me. You say you have dozens of friends at war, buddy I have people I lived with and treated as brothers that are there.


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You are deeper south than I am buddy. If you want to look at politics look who went red and look who went blue. You act like NC is above the law, apparently NC is sovereign in creating their own extravagent laws. LAW IS ALMOST ALWAYS THE SAME WHERE YOU GO. Can you commit crimes in NC that you would get away with in WI or vice-versa? Yeah. Exactly.

Like I said that was cold and I deserve that. If law was the same how can I commit a crime here that I can get away with there, doesn't that make them different. As far as voting it's all electoral vote anyway, and Bush proved in 2001 that voting is usless, also most people in the military are republican and we have four major military installations here each having a population almost the size of Charlotte, so it's a little one sided.


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Oh my God... you have NOISE ORDINANCES in NC????? WOW!

OMG... I bet most states have them in some form. It hinders track development leading to more street racing.


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That would be one step closer to utopia and keep idiots like you from abusing the power of their car and killing people. Tell me... what practical use does a 400 horsepower car have?

I found plenty of use for the 400 horses my truck had, won some cash in burnout contest (parking lot bet, not at a car show), never even hit a curb in it either much less a person.


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Wow, you can't possibly be serious. Have you ever not had a car for a few days? Imagine riding your bike to work every day. Automobiles will still be needed and thriving. I don't know about you but your precious massive displacement automobiles are becoming less and less popular and are dying in the market because of gas prices.

I didn't say it would be the end of the auto industry, bigot. My precious massive displacement automobile got a resonable 19mpg for 350ci (that's cubic inches) not good, but not bad. High displacement will be around as long as combustion engines are around, h*** the Celica GT is considered high displament for a 4 cylinder, look at the GTO and new Vette they get better mileage for displacement than most cars in there class, it's not like the Supra gets Prius mileage anyway.


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Yeah, because we don't have street racing in Wisconsin. Please list me how street racing benefits society and our community. Your suffered automotive loss argument has already failed.

Who are you to judge it failed it was a theory, you took what you wanted from that statement and went, gas skyrocketed in the '80s and the 350 made it through, h*** the 360 Magnum made it and it drinks gas. You probably don't have street racing in Wisconsin since you have uber-cops that don't let any crime happen and everyone just takes their punishment and are happy with it. What does skateboarding benefit people get hurt and killed, in the '80's and '90's it was the biggest problem in cities, street racing is just modern day skateboarding, people wont accept it until they block off the streets and have an all day event open to anyone wanting to run, it's different than drag racing, there is a different atmosphere at a street race, in drag it's like being at a NASCAR race, and gets boring after a while, you tend to know who might win since they basically announce all your mods and power levels. Street racing will never be on the list of high school sports, but what purpose does drag racing provide, people die in other sports just as easily as street racing, in a lot of cases legal drag racing is more dangerous than street racing, I would much rather be the opponent of a guy who only gets to 60 in 5 or 6 seconds than one that gets to 150 in that and if I don't want to run the 150mph guy I can take myself to another track if it didn't take 2 hours and by the time I got there it was closed, it's not like we plot a road course through Charlotte, this isn't a video game


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Once again, you sat in a garage. MECHANIC. My friends are all INFANTRY. They make fun of you all day about how you complain how bad you have it. They do not complain why they are there because they know they are helping. You complain cuz you sit in a garage all day.

If they think they're helping they work for the wrong people, you said before if Saddam was still power gas would be around $4 a gallon then why didn't he just jack up prices after the Gulf War, he had the opportunity, even better why did gas stay low when he was there, but as soon as election season was over it shot up. Your friends must be in the Army, they wouldn't know what a Marine Combat Engineer was if we shoved a claymore up their a**,Army Combat Engineers are the equivalent of the Marines Engineer Support Battalion (i.e. civil engineers) and what would anyone that shoots a gun with both eys open know about combat anyway, you can tell your friends that when the Army lets them shoot at targets more than 300m away and know what it actually feels like to be in chamber full of nerve gas (I was an NBC decon agent when needed) then they can talk about how bad they have it compared to a Marine, a standard Marine trains with Rangers on a regular basis, a lot of them are good, well cut soldiers, but the grunts the Army has are a bunch of slobs and they need to worry more about training than when their next leave day is.


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WOW. I have a copy of every states statutes sitting at my fingertips... it's called Findlaw.com.

You just asked for my vast knowledge of law and with the wonderful world wide web it's as much knowledge as my fingers want and seeing that I do spend a lot of time online since I do specialize in computers I tend to know what can be reliable and what isn't.


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It falls somewhere under "reckless endangerment, reckless driving" catagory. Look that up in your statutes.

Don't need to, i've been charged before and it's just as easy to get out of it as a speeding ticket. That still doesn't state that there is no law prohibiting street racing with a clear punishment. People getting their cars impounded is on the discretion of the court not the law. Both of those charges are treated the same in court and have nothing to do with street racing directly, you could run a stoplight at a busy intersection and the cop has every right to give you a reckless ticket, you could back to far into a handycap sign and knock it over and the cop has the same right and could also arrest you for destruction of government property, it's up to the officer to judge people as they see fit.


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Where did you go? Boot camp? Yeah once again, you sit there in air conditioning at a computer and get fatter while cops are in -32 below weather helping people out.

It doesn't get -32 in North Carolina and most places where it does get that cold people are to busy freezing their a** off to cause any trouble (you ever hear of a serious crime come out of Alaska), I weigh 150lbs. and can run as long you want me to (remember I was a Marine), yeah boot camp you wouldn't know anything about that, I served my time.


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They say they are bored to not come out with the obvious. They aren't going to say we are looking for narcotics.

They didn't have to say that they were looking for narcotics they are narc agents, of course it's obvious what they searched for and all they found were tools, they said they were bored because the only narcotics being run through this area are on rigs and run outside of town to avoid the narcs so they had nothing to do.


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You aren't the person I am worried about. It is the person who you hit who doesn't like street racing and has a bright life ahead of them. You end it over your bloodsport.

Bloodsport, man this isn't a friggin movie, people who box shed blood all the time but it's perfectly fine for two people to beat the crap out of each other as long as the government makes a cut of the profits. There you go again "if I race i'll kill someone", like I said I stand a better chance of being struck by lightning than hitting someone in an organized street race, highway running is another story but those are very far and few between. Organized races are held away from the main roads where people don't just pop out of nowhere, usually when someone dies in a race it's a driver, passenger, or spectator and they know the probible consequences.


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We were all 16 at one point. So what if there have been no deaths in Charlotte because of street racing? There have been deaths in other places and it is inevitable.

If I hear of a death in Charlotte that will be, wow 1 in how many thousands of races performed. I know there have been deaths in other places, and just like Wisconsin doesn't have crooked cops doesn't mean it doesn't exist somewhere.

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No street racing is "organized." It is still illegal. Just because you can't find a direct law saying street racing is illegal you have to look at the elements. Speeding, Excessive Excelleration, Reckless driving, Reckless Endangerment, Possible vehicle code violations, etc. Think of how many laws you break on your next "run."

By the way.... who races an unmodified 6gc?

Then tell that to Fox News and the rest of the country since something illegal isn't organized, better hope someone from the mob doesn't read this. Of course there is organized street racing, what is it when a group of people get together choose a racing spot, go there choose the racers and set the rules, is it random occurance that everyone met at the same location at the same time and that they hauled a** down the same stretch of road beside each other and one just dropped a couple hundred and the other happened to find it, why do you think there is that little moving violation called pre-emptive racing (the only true law against racing, and it's a slap on the wrist), d*** Andason I know you study law and you put up a good fight but come on that was ignorant. By the way my favorite loophole when at a street race and the cops show up is when our spotter tells us they're on the way and everyone just stops the racing and just sits there talking, the worst that can happen by law is Loitering or Trespassing, because the cops can't prove anything regardless of what they know went on, and since we know most of the runners it's hard to sneak an undercover to prove it. I do, and the screenname says it all (ask easternpiro1 I can hold my own against some decent cars, not an Evo or nothing, but I give Si's s***) who would race a 12 second car on a track made for 5 second cars, besides i've given my fair share of a** whoopins' with my truck, people still don't understand why I got rid of it.

This post has been edited by darksecret: May 6, 2005 - 1:10 PM