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post Jun 4, 2005 - 9:44 AM
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Ive decided im doing the swap... Ive reasearched so much and the confusing part to me is. What engine will fit in my 1996 GT.

These are some that i found...

-97 Toyota-celica st205 3s-gte complete motor + 5spd-4wd m/t + wire harness + non ecu (big turbo) (motor set) 245hp

-94 Toyota-Celica ST185 3S-gte complete motor + 5spd-m/t + ecu + wire harness (motor set) 225hp us$ + shipping

-87-90 toyota-celica ta63 3t-gte+5spmt (complete motor, + ecu + wire harness ) (monthly special

Those are 3 choices i found so far. VenusAuto.. Any info is needed i want to purchase stuff this weekend..

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post Jun 7, 2005 - 12:54 AM
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I'd go with 3rd gen. The engines all share the same "Essential" parts, such as waterpump, timing belt, gaskets, etc... The Only major differences is the intercooler, turbo, and ECU (MAP)...


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post Jun 7, 2005 - 9:55 AM
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QUOTE(Kwanza26 @ Jun 7, 2005 - 12:54 AM)
I'd go with 3rd gen.  The engines all share the same "Essential" parts, such as waterpump, timing belt, gaskets, etc...  The Only major differences is the intercooler, turbo, and ECU (MAP)...
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Here is a list of differences:

- MAP sensor instead of AFM
- Bosch D-Jetronic (Gen III) vs. L-Jetronic (relatively primitive) engine management
- CT20b turbo replaces CT26
- Boost raised from 10psi to 13psi
- Fuel cut raised from 12 psi to 18 psi
- Different ECU
- 4 wire O2 sensor
- Shim under bucket valve shims
- slightly more aggressive cams
- Revised internals (pistons, con-rods etc.)
- Revised cylinder head cooling passages/water jackets
- Revised intake manifold (8 'independent long ports' reduced to 4)
- intake manifold inlet air temperature sensor added. i.e. after turbo and intercooler.
- lower compression ratio
- stainless steel head gasket
- factory 540cc injectors replace 440cc injectors
- revised fuel rail with bigger bore and relocated pressure regulator
- TVIS eliminated
- EGR eliminated
- throttle body increased from 55mm to 60mm
- inlet valve lift increased from 8.2 to 8.7
- intake manifold inlet air temperature sensor added
- Less restrictive exhaust elbow
- Aluminum oil pan
- more rigid alloy sump and additional oil baffles
- Factory Catch can
- Better Oil Cooler and relocated oil filter (bottom)
- 4 Channel ABS coupled with Traction Control available
- No. 1 compression ring described as 'stainless steel' instead of just 'steel'. Oil ring is described as 'stainless steel' instead of 'a combination of steel and stainless steel'.
- The fuel pressure raised from 36 PSI (2.55 bar) to 41 PSI (2.9bar)
- air to air intercooler is replaced with air to water intercooler.


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i know your trying to do the right thing for your motor, but this is one of those times where you should just trust the guys who have had their swaps for a while and have done a ton of research into this.

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- sapperk   Another Swap Question?   Jun 4, 2005 - 9:44 AM
- - jgreening   There is no 94 ST185 I have never heard of a ...   Jun 4, 2005 - 10:33 AM
- - sapperk   Yes, these were the listings that VenusAuto has. ...   Jun 4, 2005 - 10:39 AM
- - lagos   GET A CLIP   Jun 4, 2005 - 10:46 AM
- - Consynx   yea, get a clip   Jun 4, 2005 - 1:21 PM
- - Supersprynt   Heres what I noticed is ur first problem. You star...   Jun 4, 2005 - 5:27 PM
- - sapperk   Acutally, im a long time member of this site. Ive...   Jun 4, 2005 - 5:31 PM
- - BBoYRuGGeD   well for one thing... ill vouch for venus-auto if ...   Jun 4, 2005 - 8:33 PM
- - Yota   Will they sell the odds and ends that one might ne...   Jun 5, 2005 - 2:36 AM
|- - Kwanza26   QUOTE(Yota @ Jun 5, 2005 - 7:36 AM)Will they ...   Jun 5, 2005 - 3:18 AM
|- - BBoYRuGGeD   QUOTE(Yota @ Jun 5, 2005 - 7:36 AM)Will they ...   Jun 5, 2005 - 8:15 AM
|- - Green_MachToy   QUOTE(BBoYRuGGeD @ Jun 5, 2005 - 1:15 PM)QUOT...   Jun 7, 2005 - 4:56 PM
- - sapperk   Well for those of you with swaps already.... how ...   Jun 5, 2005 - 11:04 AM
|- - jgreening   QUOTE(sapperk @ Jun 5, 2005 - 11:04 AM)Well f...   Jun 5, 2005 - 12:07 PM
- - lagos   over all everything runs great.....but you have to...   Jun 5, 2005 - 12:26 PM
- - sapperk   Well still debating,, with the RippModsSC   Jun 5, 2005 - 5:22 PM
- - sapperk   Well if i want the 3SGTE, what year is the best to...   Jun 5, 2005 - 5:23 PM
- - jgreening   Best for what? Between 2nd and 3rd gen, here are ...   Jun 5, 2005 - 6:00 PM
- - sapperk   so your saying the 2nd and 3rd gen both fit with n...   Jun 5, 2005 - 8:07 PM
|- - Rjb23   QUOTE(sapperk @ Jun 6, 2005 - 1:07 AM)so your...   Jun 5, 2005 - 8:11 PM
- - Supersprynt   QUOTE(Supersprynt @ Jun 4, 2005 - 6:27 PM)Her...   Jun 5, 2005 - 9:22 PM
- - Punch   If you go with a 2nd gen you will beable to get al...   Jun 5, 2005 - 10:50 PM
|- - Rjb23   QUOTE(Punch @ Jun 6, 2005 - 3:50 AM)If you go...   Jun 6, 2005 - 11:41 AM
- - Kwanza26   I'd go with 3rd gen. The engines all share th...   Jun 7, 2005 - 12:54 AM
|- - jgreening   QUOTE(Kwanza26 @ Jun 7, 2005 - 12:54 AM)I...   Jun 7, 2005 - 9:55 AM
- - sapperk   QUOTE(Rjb23 @ Jun 5, 2005 - 9:11 PM)QUOTE(sap...   Jun 7, 2005 - 5:24 AM
- - SlowCelica94   keep in mind, I doubt you wanna put a an OBOI engi...   Jun 7, 2005 - 10:12 AM
- - jgreening   This is a good thread about some of the difference...   Jun 9, 2005 - 5:12 AM
- - sapperk   thanks for all the info, now i can make a decision...   Jun 9, 2005 - 6:26 AM


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