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post Jun 11, 2005 - 11:07 AM
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I have been browsing this forum for quite some time and have noticed that NO COMPANY make a header for the 2.2l 5sfe. SSAutochrome was about to but then people backed out (and yes, I have seen claims of their poor quality with some products. Fortunately this header wasn't bad. There was one or two instances where they did crack or break though in the MR2 community, and that's about it).

I had three MK II MR2s with the 5sfe. I also had the SSAC header on one of them. Let me tell you the performance improvement was noticable right away. It was almost like night and day. More pull and it ran quicker through the gears.

When I had to put the stock exhaust manifold back on for inspection, the car ran much slower, easily noticable.

Now, the NA MR2 weighs in at @ 2650 lbs. The 94-99 Celica GT hardtop weighs in at @ 2450 lbs, correct? A good header would probably make it quicker in a line than the MR2, which felt good in a line.

Is there atleast a header in the works from a reputable aftermarket company?


I'm probably going to be buying a 6th gen celica in the near future as my new daily driver. Is there any place where I can see the yearly updates they did to the celica to fix problems from the previous year? Like for example, in 93, the MR2 fixed some electrical problems or quirks, and upgraded the suspension and other things. Is there a list like this for the 6th gen celicas?
 
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post Jun 13, 2005 - 7:58 PM
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You talk like the 5SFE is a diesel, it's stroke is smaller but it is still a good motor, like I said the IR is almost always overlooked in engine building and can make a difference if it was chaged, but that would be changing the way the motor sits under the hood, either way torque is a good thing and even though Honda's are everything horsepower, a car can have a lot of horsepower and make very little torque and yes it still runs good but you have to ride at 7,000 rpm to get anywhere, without torque horsepower is useless, i'm not going to get into a horsepower vs. torque, every car mag on the planet has explained it, neither are better than one another but if you want a quick street cruiser increse the torque, if you want a race car that can run high rpms all day go for horsepower. I do agree with Kwanza on the get an MR2 thing, basic bolt ons won't help because the head is to restrictive to make good use of them, that explains that dabble I went into earlier about cams and stuff.
post Jun 13, 2005 - 9:13 PM
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QUOTE(darksecret @ Jun 14, 2005 - 12:58 AM)
You talk like the 5SFE is a diesel, it's stroke is smaller but it is still a good motor, like I said the IR is almost always overlooked in engine building and can make a difference if it was chaged, but that would be changing the way the motor sits under the hood, either way torque is a good thing and even though Honda's are everything horsepower, a car can have a lot of horsepower and make very little torque and yes it still runs good but you have to ride at 7,000 rpm to get anywhere, without torque horsepower is useless, i'm not going to get into a horsepower vs. torque, every car mag on the planet has explained it, neither are better than one another but if you want a quick street cruiser increse the torque, if you want a race car that can run high rpms all day go for horsepower. I do agree with Kwanza on the get an MR2 thing, basic bolt ons won't help because the head is to restrictive to make good use of them, that explains that dabble I went into earlier about cams and stuff.
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Again... if that's all you're getting from me trying to explain in layman's terms... you're out of luck. Horsepower and torque are the same thing BTW... only expressed in different ways. Funny that you're trying to argue about horsepower and torque and can't even get that. You can talk about torque all you want... but NO ONE races at 4000 rpms... unless of course that is the redline.

Like I said before... go drive your car, shift it at 4500 rpms (torque peak)... then shift it at 5200-5800 rpms (power peak). It's EASY to tell which accelerates the car harder.


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Posts in this topic
- CyberCT   Why Doesn't Any Company Make A Header For The 5SFE   Jun 11, 2005 - 11:07 AM
- - Digndoug   its not really worth it.. its a very low end desig...   Jun 11, 2005 - 11:12 AM
- - CyberCT   But the 1.8l ST engine would be better, considerin...   Jun 11, 2005 - 11:32 AM
- - Galcobar   If you'd been browsing you'd know the 5SFE...   Jun 12, 2005 - 12:27 AM
- - MonsterBOX   r u sure the mr2 is heavier than a gt celica? that...   Jun 12, 2005 - 12:43 AM
- - Galcobar   Sounds odd to me as well...two-seater versus four?   Jun 12, 2005 - 4:45 AM
- - CyberCT   94-99 Celica GT 2 Door Hatchback: 2415lbs http://a...   Jun 12, 2005 - 6:39 PM
- - Kwanza26   The Celica GTs weigh around 2600 pounds depending ...   Jun 12, 2005 - 7:29 PM
- - Galcobar   The Genie and Hotshot headers are not exact bolt-o...   Jun 13, 2005 - 2:15 AM
- - CyberCT   Wait, so a 7AFE puts out more power and tq with a ...   Jun 13, 2005 - 8:22 AM
|- - Kwanza26   QUOTE(CyberCT @ Jun 13, 2005 - 1:22 PM)Wait, ...   Jun 13, 2005 - 8:57 AM
- - Bigmeanbulldog55   QUOTE(CyberCT @ Jun 13, 2005 - 9:22 AM)Wait, ...   Jun 13, 2005 - 8:40 AM
- - CyberCT   I don't want to do any internal mods, only bol...   Jun 13, 2005 - 10:52 AM
- - darksecret   One of the main causes for the high torque rating ...   Jun 13, 2005 - 10:56 AM
|- - Kwanza26   QUOTE(darksecret @ Jun 13, 2005 - 3:56 PM)One...   Jun 13, 2005 - 6:10 PM
- - darksecret   Yeah I know how the ratios work, but last time I c...   Jun 13, 2005 - 6:36 PM
|- - Kwanza26   QUOTE(darksecret @ Jun 13, 2005 - 11:36 PM)Ye...   Jun 13, 2005 - 7:25 PM
- - CyberCT   Ah yes but this is missing the whole point. BOLT ...   Jun 13, 2005 - 6:57 PM
|- - Kwanza26   QUOTE(CyberCT @ Jun 13, 2005 - 11:57 PM)Ah ye...   Jun 13, 2005 - 7:32 PM
- - darksecret   A little boost, like seat of the pants boost? You...   Jun 13, 2005 - 7:23 PM
- - darksecret   You talk like the 5SFE is a diesel, it's strok...   Jun 13, 2005 - 7:58 PM
|- - Kwanza26   QUOTE(darksecret @ Jun 14, 2005 - 12:58 AM)Yo...   Jun 13, 2005 - 9:13 PM
- - darksecret   Not all cars are Hondas, the Celica tops out way b...   Jun 14, 2005 - 9:48 AM
|- - Kwanza26   QUOTE(darksecret @ Jun 14, 2005 - 2:48 PM)Not...   Jun 16, 2005 - 1:14 PM
- - LewFX   anyone know if this is any good for the gt? http:...   Jun 14, 2005 - 1:11 PM
- - Bigmeanbulldog55   QUOTE(LewFX @ Jun 14, 2005 - 2:11 PM)anyone k...   Jun 14, 2005 - 1:21 PM
- - LewFX   I have a GT and its fun, and i do outrun allot of ...   Jun 14, 2005 - 1:42 PM
- - darksecret   The main reason nobody cares to modify the 5SFE is...   Jun 14, 2005 - 3:22 PM
- - Silver94CelicaOwner   I think the point was totally missed in this threa...   Jun 16, 2005 - 1:17 AM
- - darksecret   ^^^^^^^^^^ We already told him that the arguement ...   Jun 16, 2005 - 8:51 AM
|- - Silver94CelicaOwner   QUOTE(darksecret @ Jun 16, 2005 - 6:51 AM)^^^...   Jun 16, 2005 - 9:31 PM
- - darksecret   No prob man I understand, as for Kwanza I understa...   Jun 16, 2005 - 10:20 PM


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