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post Jun 23, 2005 - 7:08 PM
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Well, the wednesday here for me was the Dyno day... The first day i got Edos car, after i drove her home, i was like holy damn..... this thing is slow as hell..... So to figure out what the heck was wrong with his car, i promised Edo to go on Dyno..

So.... Just to start of everything, who aint know his car here are the main things that are done to it:

1.8 7AFE
Bored out to 82 mm
Arias Pistons from GZE
CR is rised to 11.02
Head full prot and polish
3 angle valve job
Rods, pistons, crank balanced lightned
Custom build exhaust with resonator and rear muffler only (loud mofo biggrin.gif)
Custom build CAI with Apex'i Power Intake filter and Cold air box.
Fule perssure regulator.

And Emanage with the Ignition and Injectors wirings.

So, the first run was just to check the condition of the car with hooked up Wide band. 4 gear - till the top (6200 rpm) and we got flames (about 1 meter long!) flying out of his exhaust and wide band going crazy cuz of the RICH mixture.....

First run: 110 hp and 152nm TQ at the crank..... Bad bad bad.......

Well, second run - fuel pressure droped from 60 PSI on WOT till 50 PSI, and ignition advance at +2.

120 hp and 160nm of TQ

better but still not good..... After this Emanage tuning has been done, air flow map was adjusted a bit, and ignition map was changet at +4 in all the RPM range..

Third run: 124 hp and 164nm of TQ.........

another test of ignition at +6...... gave the best result: 127 hp and 166nm of TQ....

here is the Dyno sheet. 1 and second run curves..... You can see how much we gained in some places..... And i can say - now this thing flyes (comparing to ST's celicas biggrin.gif) yes, it has the power in practicly all the rance and pretty rev happy, cuz you can go all the way till 6500 and listen to this mean deep sound smile.gif

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later (sunday maybe) i will put a 2 video files and LOTS of pics from Groundzero performance shop, cuz they had lots of goddies laying around biggrin.gif

As for now this is all i have biggrin.gif


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post Jun 24, 2005 - 4:40 AM
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Ok guys I'm at work now so I just write fast thing, then be back in afternoon with more explaination.
When I had my engine rebuilt I had to trash my cams cuz they were jammed by oil pump partial failure I had.
So I got a USDM complete head to rebuid.
Once done the rebuild, p&p etc, the machine shop had to make custom bend to tap the EGR port (and Rom this could be the cause of the noise u told me) and then they called me sayng that they compared the cams and:
Exhaust cams are identical...instead the intake cam was different: same duration but different lift.
Now I don't remember the value but the difference was of exactly 1mm in lift!!!
It's much so now I need to find euro intake cam biggrin.gif
Anyway not bad numbers for the engine, now I just have to run it, I can't wait foooooooor biggrin.gif biggrin.gif biggrin.gif
post Jun 24, 2005 - 4:32 PM
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QUOTE(edo17982 @ Jun 24, 2005 - 9:40 AM)
Exhaust cams are identical...instead the intake cam was different: same duration but different lift.
Now I don't remember the value but the difference was of exactly 1mm in lift!!!
It's much so now I need to find euro intake cam biggrin.gif
Anyway not bad numbers for the engine, now I just have to run it, I can't wait foooooooor biggrin.gif  biggrin.gif  biggrin.gif
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Umm... USDM specs also had different intake and exhaust cam lifts. The intake side had just slightly more lift than the exhaust, but that's not saying the euro specs have a full 1mm lift more than the USDM specs... 1mm is a lot in terms of camshaft lift. Maybe your people are confusing you. Take for example, a typical toyota FE cam profile would be something like 230 degrees duration with 7mm lift... now if they were 1mm larger (8mm lift), they'd be pretty much a moderate camshaft... the sort of profile that comes in stock racy engines... something like a 4AGE blacktop 20V, which has 8mm lift on the intake lobe. Agressive lift cams are typically 9mm lift and more... stock VTEC lift is typically around 9mm to 10mm, while primarys are in the 6mm range. Based on the powerband... I'd say at best, the 7AFE's have something like 6.5-7.2mm lift on stock cams. If there are differences between the european versions and the USDM versions... it'll be nominal... definately not 1mm cause that's a huge difference. I do have USDM camshaft lobe and journal specs... but am too brain dead to degree them and figure out the duration and lift profiles...

Regardless of that... the only real way to take full advatage of your mods... is to get aftermarket camshafts with longer duration and bigger lift. I'd suggest something like 270-280 degrees duration and around 8mm lift for a good street cam...


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Posts in this topic
- doGGy   Edo's Celica DYNO TUNE.   Jun 23, 2005 - 7:08 PM
- - x_itchy_b_x   Awesome to see an ST put out nice numbers   Jun 23, 2005 - 7:15 PM
- - doGGy   Still Edos car is missing 10-15 hp and about 25nm ...   Jun 23, 2005 - 7:21 PM
|- - Kwanza26   QUOTE(doGGy @ Jun 24, 2005 - 12:21 AM)Still E...   Jun 24, 2005 - 1:57 AM
- - presure2   not bad doggy, what all that cost ya? or him i sho...   Jun 23, 2005 - 9:22 PM
- - lagos   crap   Jun 23, 2005 - 9:35 PM
|- - tim86   QUOTE(lagos @ Jun 24, 2005 - 2:35 AM)crap [sn...   Jun 24, 2005 - 1:18 AM
|- - edo17982   QUOTE(lagos @ Jun 24, 2005 - 4:35 AM)crap [sn...   Jun 24, 2005 - 9:49 AM
- - FAQdaWorld   Yeah, i dont get it?   Jun 24, 2005 - 12:10 AM
- - FallenHero   How is the car running with the 11:1 comp ratio?   Jun 24, 2005 - 12:15 AM
- - doGGy   Edo messured both cams i think, i will ask him for...   Jun 24, 2005 - 3:24 AM
- - edo17982   Ok guys I'm at work now so I just write fast t...   Jun 24, 2005 - 4:40 AM
|- - Kwanza26   QUOTE(edo17982 @ Jun 24, 2005 - 9:40 AM)Exhau...   Jun 24, 2005 - 4:32 PM
|- - edo17982   QUOTE(Kwanza26 @ Jun 24, 2005 - 11:32 PM)QUOT...   Jun 24, 2005 - 5:05 PM
- - nik   good looking numbers edo   Jun 24, 2005 - 9:07 AM
- - edo17982   well yes and no....I mean....now temperature is hi...   Jun 24, 2005 - 9:34 AM
|- - BlackSTX   I think that's a lot bigger gain than even you...   Jun 24, 2005 - 9:49 AM
|- - edo17982   QUOTE(BlackSTX @ Jun 24, 2005 - 4:49 PM)I thi...   Jun 24, 2005 - 9:51 AM
- - BlackSTX   Oh yeah he does say its at the crank.   Jun 24, 2005 - 10:15 AM
- - FallenHero   How did he measure crank hp? So this is with a st...   Jun 24, 2005 - 1:52 PM
- - dustin15brown   How much money have you put into this for the extr...   Jun 25, 2005 - 9:58 AM
- - FallenHero   more along the lines of 35hp. And I still want to...   Jun 25, 2005 - 1:44 PM
|- - doGGy   The HP numbers are at the crank, if you look at th...   Jun 26, 2005 - 2:25 PM
- - CelicaST18   couldn't you just have a shop regrind the stoc...   Jun 25, 2005 - 1:51 PM
- - MonsterBOX   with those pistons and that engine build you could...   Jun 25, 2005 - 2:03 PM
- - FallenHero   ok, so what is the hp at the wheels then? 128-18=...   Jun 26, 2005 - 2:49 PM
|- - doGGy   Guess yea QUOTE(FallenHero @ Jun 26, 2005 ...   Jun 26, 2005 - 2:53 PM
- - dustin15brown   so about 20-25 hp gain right? How much total went ...   Jun 26, 2005 - 3:54 PM
- - edo17982   let's say that: Pistons 400€ Head job (full) ...   Jun 26, 2005 - 4:03 PM
- - FallenHero   Wow, I love ya man, but it's time to let the 7...   Jun 27, 2005 - 4:30 PM
- - MonsterBOX   i dont understand why youd would go through all th...   Jun 27, 2005 - 4:33 PM
|- - doGGy   Get more out of the exact setup like this - and yo...   Jun 27, 2005 - 5:35 PM
|- - edo17982   QUOTE(doGGy @ Jun 28, 2005 - 12:35 AM)Get mor...   Jun 27, 2005 - 8:25 PM
|- - MonsterBOX   QUOTE(doGGy @ Jun 27, 2005 - 5:35 PM)Get more...   Jun 28, 2005 - 12:17 AM
|- - doGGy   Yes, it was, but if you have 11.02 CR under your h...   Jun 28, 2005 - 12:42 AM
- - FallenHero   He was building for boost, but the compression did...   Jun 27, 2005 - 5:37 PM
- - FallenHero   QUOTE(FallenHero @ Jun 27, 2005 - 3:37 PM)He ...   Jun 28, 2005 - 12:37 AM
- - FallenHero   agreed, this car has like.. 110 whp. Basically st...   Jun 28, 2005 - 1:31 AM
- - MonsterBOX   yea but all the head work he did switching now wou...   Jun 29, 2005 - 12:00 AM
- - FallenHero   which is why I'd slap on a high quality thick ...   Jun 29, 2005 - 1:15 AM
|- - doGGy   I told the same to Edo, he should get HKS 2 mm 6 l...   Jun 29, 2005 - 4:22 AM
|- - FallenHero   QUOTE(doGGy @ Jun 29, 2005 - 2:22 AM)I told t...   Jun 29, 2005 - 11:33 AM
- - playr158   don't use a think head gasket it will blow ED...   Jun 29, 2005 - 11:36 AM
|- - FallenHero   QUOTE(playr158 @ Jun 29, 2005 - 9:36 AM)don...   Jun 29, 2005 - 11:50 AM
- - playr158   true true but considering stock cr is like 9.5:1 ...   Jun 29, 2005 - 12:42 PM
|- - doGGy   Playr, you aint reading again....... He is at 11.0...   Jun 29, 2005 - 3:43 PM
- - FallenHero   in all honesty, 7th gen celicas boost safely to ov...   Jun 29, 2005 - 2:49 PM
|- - doGGy   Not only tuning..... Higher CR means higher Octane...   Jun 29, 2005 - 3:44 PM
- - FallenHero   oh, I agree, but that doesn't change the fact ...   Jun 29, 2005 - 5:54 PM
- - playr158   so are we back to the forget custom pistons and us...   Jun 30, 2005 - 8:42 AM
- - FallenHero   no, the custom pistons would be better, but they c...   Jun 30, 2005 - 12:16 PM
- - JoKeRkId613   i dont get it... in the first run, it says hp is 1...   Jul 2, 2005 - 4:30 AM
|- - edo17982   QUOTE(JoKeRkId613 @ Jul 2, 2005 - 11:30 AM)i ...   Jul 3, 2005 - 2:23 AM
- - OOBE   They come with that to the crank, which is like 8x...   Jul 2, 2005 - 6:19 PM
- - JoKeRkId613   still dont get it. lol. so whats the hp when every...   Jul 3, 2005 - 3:53 AM
- - Hanyo   QUOTE(JoKeRkId613 @ Jul 3, 2005 - 1:53 AM)sti...   Jul 3, 2005 - 8:06 AM
- - nik   edo sell the head and come to the dark side (7age ...   Jul 5, 2005 - 6:11 PM
- - edo17982   Well nick I'm gonna come to gark side but stil...   Jul 6, 2005 - 5:54 AM
- - FallenHero   for sake of easiness, I'd just get a thicker h...   Jul 6, 2005 - 2:13 PM
|- - nik   QUOTE(FallenHero @ Jul 6, 2005 - 12:13 PM)for...   Jul 6, 2005 - 4:36 PM
- - JoKeRkId613   127? thats nothing... for buying gze pistons and a...   Jul 6, 2005 - 4:44 PM
|- - edo17982   QUOTE(JoKeRkId613 @ Jul 6, 2005 - 11:44 PM)12...   Jul 6, 2005 - 4:53 PM
- - Hanyo   QUOTE(JoKeRkId613 @ Jul 6, 2005 - 2:44 PM)127...   Jul 7, 2005 - 11:35 PM
- - doGGy   Exactly, in some areas he is gaining about +25Hp, ...   Jul 8, 2005 - 12:16 AM


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