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post Jun 14, 2005 - 9:03 PM
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Well the swap is really close to being done now. I got someone to weld the rest of the exhaust up, its a little restrictive but I'll be getting all new exhaust once i go turbo.

I figured i'd post up a video for you gents to look at smile.gif

I have the greddy cat back on there, and as you can see the celica MOVES!!!

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Whats left to be done:


Install front shocks (kyb gr2's)

FMIC

Hook Up power steering

Body shop to finish up the front.


Overall we should be done within the next week or two.

-FAQ

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post Jul 25, 2005 - 11:36 PM
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Jay, a 4A-GZE supercharger's boost is based strictly on RPM, since the supercharger is hooked to a belt that's hooked to the crank. The faster the crank spins, the faster the supercharger's internals go, producing more boost. wink.gif


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post Jul 25, 2005 - 11:49 PM
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QUOTE(Coomer @ Jul 25, 2005 - 11:36 PM)
Jay, a 4A-GZE supercharger's boost is based strictly on RPM, since the supercharger is hooked to a belt that's hooked to the crank. The faster the crank spins, the faster the supercharger's internals go, producing more boost. wink.gif
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The part that I don't understand is that a turbo requires engine LOAD to create boost in the positive boost system. You can rev the engine higher and make more exhaust gases but the boost at idle remains very low.

It doesn't really make sense to me why a turbo (which simply reroutes pressurized exhaust gases back into the intake) requires engine load to create positive manifold pressure while a supercharger (which pushes ambient air into the intake through a simple compressor spun by the crank) does not. I would appreciate further explanation.

Edit: Here is my guess: I think the extra exhaust gasses at higher RPM's with a turbo are miniscule at idle compared to the exhaust gasses that are created when the engine is under load. In that regard, the turbo isn't really "pushing" the air very fast because the exhaust gases are not as plentiful while in neutral as they are when faster and hotter combustion is required to move the car. On the other hand, the supercharger simply uses RPM's to pressurize the system. It really doesn't make a difference if the engine has more load or not since the compressor is driven by the crank rather than turbine of the turbo.

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i know your trying to do the right thing for your motor, but this is one of those times where you should just trust the guys who have had their swaps for a while and have done a ton of research into this.
post Jul 26, 2005 - 3:39 AM
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QUOTE(jgreening @ Jul 25, 2005 - 9:49 PM)
Edit: Here is my guess: I think the extra exhaust gasses at higher RPM's with a turbo are miniscule at idle compared to the exhaust gasses that are created when the engine is under load.  In that regard, the turbo isn't really "pushing" the air very fast because the exhaust gases are not as plentiful while in neutral as they are when faster and hotter combustion is required to move the car.  On the other hand, the supercharger simply uses RPM's to pressurize the system.  It really doesn't make a difference if the engine has more load or not since the compressor is driven by the crank rather than turbine of the turbo.
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I think that's pretty much right on. Hopefully one of the engine geniuses can chime in and provide a definitive answer though.


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- FAQdaWorld   4agze Nearing completion   Jun 14, 2005 - 9:03 PM
- - JoKeRkId613   hey man. i just want you to know that youre my rol...   Jun 14, 2005 - 9:34 PM
|- - FAQdaWorld   QUOTE(JoKeRkId613 @ Jun 14, 2005 - 9:34 PM)he...   Jun 14, 2005 - 9:50 PM
- - FallenHero   what are you using for an EMS?   Jun 14, 2005 - 10:31 PM
- - FAQdaWorld   the ecu for an ae101 4agze. I found a guy who does...   Jun 15, 2005 - 2:04 AM
- - CheesyLobster   the video wont work for me, tried dling new codecs...   Jun 15, 2005 - 4:37 AM
|- - Rjb23   QUOTE(CheesyLobster @ Jun 15, 2005 - 9:37 AM)...   Jun 15, 2005 - 12:22 PM
- - FAQdaWorld   I did the video in a different format, its only ab...   Jun 15, 2005 - 2:12 PM
- - FallenHero   the 101's were distributorless? I see the coi...   Jun 15, 2005 - 8:45 PM
- - FAQdaWorld   The only ones that werent dli were the aw11's ...   Jun 16, 2005 - 12:02 AM
- - FallenHero   you sure the 92's werent?   Jun 16, 2005 - 12:32 AM
- - FAQdaWorld   Positive. club4ag tech ref.   Jun 16, 2005 - 1:06 AM
- - FallenHero   hrm. I had no clue. gotta love club4ag   Jun 16, 2005 - 11:48 AM
- - H8DC3lica94   im jealous! i am still on the wiring!...   Jun 28, 2005 - 1:08 AM
- - FAQdaWorld   You can use the headers from a 4age, but they SUCK...   Jun 28, 2005 - 10:37 PM
- - FAQdaWorld   I thought i'd go ahead and add this today... ...   Jul 1, 2005 - 8:16 PM
- - H8DC3lica94   jealous i am....   Jul 1, 2005 - 10:01 PM
- - celi_gt_racer   waiting for a bigger and better video I am~   Jul 2, 2005 - 12:16 PM
- - Kadett   What kind of specs has it. Engine size, # Valves, ...   Jul 2, 2005 - 12:21 PM
|- - FAQdaWorld   QUOTE(Kadett @ Jul 2, 2005 - 12:21 PM)What ki...   Jul 2, 2005 - 2:28 PM
|- - Kwanza26   QUOTE(FAQdaWorld @ Jul 2, 2005 - 7:28 PM)This...   Jul 2, 2005 - 3:41 PM
- - lagos   nice job. post some vids of the engine bay while i...   Jul 2, 2005 - 1:08 PM
- - lagos   i would consider going to a fmic as soon as u can....   Jul 2, 2005 - 2:50 PM
- - OOBE   Sounds nice...doesn't sound like a puny 1.6l...   Jul 2, 2005 - 4:13 PM
- - FAQdaWorld   Yeah, i'm going fmic like next week haha. Its ...   Jul 3, 2005 - 12:52 AM
- - lagos   yeah thats a good idea. the exhaust is a great upg...   Jul 3, 2005 - 1:58 AM
- - FAQdaWorld   Ran the celica through emissions the other day, an...   Jul 15, 2005 - 1:52 AM
- - H8DC3lica94   i wish i could fail emmisions ... i wish i had a ...   Jul 15, 2005 - 2:16 AM
- - FAQdaWorld   Well, about 2 or three weeks later or whatever... ...   Jul 22, 2005 - 4:51 PM
- - jgreening   congrats FAQ! I know you have been waiting a ...   Jul 22, 2005 - 5:01 PM
- - Coomer   Congrats! I want to see some video of it on th...   Jul 22, 2005 - 5:28 PM
- - FAQdaWorld   sadly, we are still pretty far off from there, nee...   Jul 22, 2005 - 5:41 PM
- - FAQdaWorld   Added a video of the boost gauge doing its thing, ...   Jul 25, 2005 - 1:48 AM
- - celi_gt_racer   MORE VIDS on the street... i cant wait... lol   Jul 25, 2005 - 8:41 AM
- - OOBE   Yeah, I am desperate to see it on the street, haha...   Jul 25, 2005 - 12:07 PM
|- - jgreening   QUOTE(OOBE @ Jul 25, 2005 - 12:07 PM)Yeah, I ...   Jul 25, 2005 - 10:01 PM
- - FAQdaWorld   Thats whats great about sc'ers... boost ON DEM...   Jul 25, 2005 - 4:14 PM
- - Coomer   Jay, a 4A-GZE supercharger's boost is based st...   Jul 25, 2005 - 11:36 PM
|- - jgreening   QUOTE(Coomer @ Jul 25, 2005 - 11:36 PM)Jay, a...   Jul 25, 2005 - 11:49 PM
|- - Coomer   QUOTE(jgreening @ Jul 25, 2005 - 9:49 PM)Edit...   Jul 26, 2005 - 3:39 AM
|- - WannabeGT4   QUOTE(jgreening @ Jul 25, 2005 - 11:49 PM)QUO...   Jul 26, 2005 - 9:44 AM
- - FAQdaWorld   my guess would be that you arent reving long enoug...   Jul 26, 2005 - 12:01 AM
- - Sev408   good job bro, i remember it was like a year ago wh...   Jul 26, 2005 - 3:33 AM
- - celicast3sgte   turbos dont nessecarily use just the exhaust gasse...   Jul 26, 2005 - 12:35 PM
|- - WannabeGT4   QUOTE(celicast3sgte @ Jul 26, 2005 - 12:35 PM...   Jul 26, 2005 - 3:39 PM
- - celi_gt_racer   I say .. do away w/ the tech talk on Turbo vs. S/C...   Jul 26, 2005 - 1:41 PM
- - Predator   QUOTEturbos dont nessecarily use just the exhaust ...   Jul 26, 2005 - 4:29 PM
- - celicast3sgte   think of it as the heat is assisting the gasses mo...   Jul 26, 2005 - 10:03 PM
- - Rjb23   Jet engines use heat to spin a turbine which pushe...   Jul 26, 2005 - 10:36 PM
- - celi_gt_racer   no my good sir, steam is not air... it is water he...   Jul 26, 2005 - 10:53 PM
- - Predator   QUOTEno my good sir, steam is not air... it is wat...   Jul 27, 2005 - 9:46 AM
- - FAQdaWorld   Me and a buddy down at the shop figured out the ax...   Jul 28, 2005 - 9:17 PM
- - soulshadow   Wow that is tottaly Awesome! A 4agze in a 6g, ...   Aug 2, 2005 - 5:00 PM
- - [Freemantle]   I'd love to see this car launch. I take it fro...   Aug 2, 2005 - 6:16 PM
- - tomazws   O_o QUOTE([Freemantle] @ Aug 2, 200...   Aug 2, 2005 - 7:22 PM


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