best N/A engine, for toyota Options

[Hanyo]

What is the best Naturally Aspired engine for toyota?

I hear beams and silver top thrown around. But what is the BEST? Which one has the most power to weight ratio? Most power after modifications?

Is the 7th gen gts engine the best n/a engine toyota offers?

[Celicaguy13]

200ps is like 195hp... whoopie!  5hp more than the stock overseas versions... ;]  The TRD version weren't exactly highly tuned (engine-wise)... very light tuning with a body kit and wheels more or less...

Any N/A engine can be great but with work. Honda people sometimes annoy me with the whole "honda is the best" because from the factory.... Honda's arnt really that fast. They're fastest car is a S2000 and only hits low 14's to high 13's, but that is a real "fast car" I guess you want to say. Everything else they make is 15.0+ And they're supposively "Super car" the NSX I think can only hit low 13's high 12's???? I dont think it's worth paying 85k on something a slightly modded supra could beat. But this is all just what I think and not trying to state facts.

Unless you know Hondas... don't start talking Hondas. Hondas aren't fast from the factory... but depends on how you define "fast". USDM ST185 Celicas weren't fast either then (stock high 15 car), nor is the MR2 turbo (stock mid 15 car). These cars all have... what's that word... oh yeah. POTENTIAL... 200HP n/a from the factory is pretty damn decent to me, especially since these engines can squeeze an additional 20-30 whp with minor bolt-ons (especially the K series). Name another factory car in that same class that can match 200hp n/a with that buildability... I can only think of one (Celica SSIII)... Also... unless you've built and raced cars on the strip, or at least have ventured there more than once or twice... don't assume to know what's fast and what's not fast. FYI... low 14's to high 13's is very fast for most street built n/a 4 bangers. Low 14's to high 13's can handle just about 80% of the cars on the road. Even the 3SGTE swapped Celicas can only manage high 13's with the stock turbo... so what's so bad about running high 13's? High 13's is fast enough to embarass C6 corvettes especially since they'll underestimate you and your 4 banger. Maybe your standards for a fast car is worthy of being fast and furious... but in real life... most decently quick street cars are high 13 cars... simply because exponential increase in power is needed to break into the 12-11 second barriers (which means $$$). And... and NSX cannot run 12's... nor is comparing a stock NSX to a "modded" Supra fair. Hell... if I wanted a fast car I'd buy a starlet and drop in a 405 big block. Much cheaper than a Supra... but obviously people pay 85K for an NSX for other reasons than running the 1/4 mile. Think about that for a second. You know what I hate... bias against Honda because "it's cool for loyal Toyota tuners to hate on Honda"...

Simple question to ask yourself... How many car manufactures can boast 120 hp per liter STOCK?
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But this is all just what I think and not trying to state facts.
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Damn lets not have opinions here anymore because some people dont read. Did I ever say toyotas or celicas were better. I said "STOCK" I read about 2 sentences of your post then skimmed it and saw "blah blah blah I know everything blah blah big block blah blah"

Just to let you know, I've owned more hondas and tuned more hondas then toyotas, so do us all a favor and think and try to be a little courteous next time you post. thank you.

By the way, If I would have said something close to what you posted it would have sounded a little like this...

Hi everyone. Hondas suck a$$. They are worthless and stupid and smell. Anyone who buys them are complete RICERs! Yeah they are powerless and dont make any power what so ever from modds. They are nothing compared to toyotas now. Like the awesome AWD TURBO!!! That's right you heard right TURBO! celica that's really really fast and is unbeatable. And you cannot forget about the Even faster MR2 TURBO!!! And trust me, I KNOW WHAT IS FAST! It's just plain fact that I know everything and know the actual meaning of "FAST" when talking about cars. You know what else I hate... bias against Toyota because "it's cool for loyal Honda tuners to hate on Toyotas"................ because they're better!!!

This post has been edited by Celicaguy13: Oct 1, 2005 - 1:36 AM