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post Apr 21, 2005 - 3:47 PM
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I herd from a few ppl that 4agze pistons will fit in the 7afe, only thing is is that i thought the 4agze was a 1.6 and being that the 7afe is a 1.8 how would they fit?? Would the 4agze pistons be too small??
 
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post Oct 30, 2005 - 3:35 PM
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K, time to write it again.

As i know for now im the only one who TRYED TO PUT GZE pistons in the 7A.

First: EVERYTHING FITS LIKE IT SHOULD BE.

!!!!!!BUT!!!!!!

I used GZE (or GE)20mm wrist pin pistons. The wrist pin of the GZE is the same diameter as the 7A pins. BUT wrist pins of the GZE (or GE) pistons are FULL FLOATING, 7A pins are PRESS FITED. Difference is what 4AGZE rods have coper/bronze insert in the top of the rod, AND wrist pins float in it, and there is the oiling chanel in the rods for oiling the pins. 7A rods DO NOT have pin insert, DO not HAVE oiling cuz pin is pressure fitted and DOESNT move in the rod pistons move on the pin.

Then puting GZE (or GE) pistons MIND one thing: GZE pistons pins are full floating, so the restriction of the pin floting is in the piston. Then you press fit the GZE pins in the 7A rods - you get what the pistons dont have enouth of movment then they are cold (basicly pistons are stuck on the rods and kinda hard to move by hand if they are cold, but its enouth to heat them up a bit and they start to move...) This was the main reason what i aint used these pistons in my project (cuz i wanted to turbo my engine faster and aint had time to solve all this biggrin.gif)

BUT, i asume using your STOCK 7A Pins with along GZE pistons - everything should and i say SHOULD be good... i dont know yet, i will try later about this...

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post Oct 30, 2005 - 11:32 PM
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QUOTE(doGGy @ Oct 30, 2005 - 8:35 PM)
K, time to write it again.

As i know for now im the only one who TRYED TO PUT GZE pistons in the 7A.

First: EVERYTHING FITS LIKE IT SHOULD BE.

!!!!!!BUT!!!!!!

I used GZE (or GE)20mm wrist pin pistons. The wrist pin of the GZE is the same diameter as the 7A pins. BUT wrist pins of the GZE (or GE) pistons are FULL FLOATING, 7A pins are PRESS FITED. Difference is what 4AGZE rods have coper/bronze insert in the top of the rod, AND wrist pins float in it, and there is the oiling chanel in the rods for oiling the pins. 7A rods DO NOT have pin insert, DO not HAVE oiling cuz pin is pressure fitted and DOESNT move in the rod pistons move on the pin.

Then puting GZE (or GE) pistons MIND one thing: GZE pistons pins are full floating, so the restriction of the pin floting is in the piston. Then you press fit the GZE pins in the 7A rods - you get what the pistons dont have enouth of movment then they are cold (basicly pistons are stuck on the rods and kinda hard to move by hand if they are cold, but its enouth to heat them up a bit and they start to move...) This was the main reason what i aint used these pistons in my project (cuz i wanted to turbo my engine faster and aint had time to solve all this biggrin.gif)

BUT, i asume using your STOCK 7A Pins with along GZE pistons - everything should and i say SHOULD be good... i dont know yet, i will try later about this...

Good luck guys.
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post Oct 31, 2005 - 3:17 AM
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CR ratio was CONFIRMED like 10 times already, but it seems like no one read about it as well:

Using Arians 4AGE low comp pistons with 1 mm oversize in 7AFE Edo got 11.01 CR.

I counted what using 4AGZE stock bore pistons you could get at 10.8 CR

Using 2 mm headgasket from HKS and 4AGZE pistons (stock bore), (4AGE headgasket) the CR could be droped at 9.6



QUOTE(Dr_Tweak @ Oct 30, 2005 - 9:32 PM)
QUOTE(doGGy @ Oct 30, 2005 - 8:35 PM)
K, time to write it again.

As i know for now im the only one who TRYED TO PUT GZE pistons in the 7A.

First: EVERYTHING FITS LIKE IT SHOULD BE.

!!!!!!BUT!!!!!!

I used GZE (or GE)20mm wrist pin pistons. The wrist pin of the GZE is the same diameter as the 7A pins. BUT wrist pins of the GZE (or GE) pistons are FULL FLOATING, 7A pins are PRESS FITED. Difference is what 4AGZE rods have coper/bronze insert in the top of the rod, AND wrist pins float in it, and there is the oiling chanel in the rods for oiling the pins. 7A rods DO NOT have pin insert, DO not HAVE oiling cuz pin is pressure fitted and DOESNT move in the rod pistons move on the pin.

Then puting GZE (or GE) pistons MIND one thing: GZE pistons pins are full floating, so the restriction of the pin floting is in the piston. Then you press fit the GZE pins in the 7A rods - you get what the pistons dont have enouth of movment then they are cold (basicly pistons are stuck on the rods and kinda hard to move by hand if they are cold, but its enouth to heat them up a bit and they start to move...) This was the main reason what i aint used these pistons in my project (cuz i wanted to turbo my engine faster and aint had time to solve all this biggrin.gif)

BUT, i asume using your STOCK 7A Pins with along GZE pistons - everything should and i say SHOULD be good... i dont know yet, i will try later about this...

Good luck guys.
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We already know this, what about the compression ratio? That's the question that hasn't been confirmed.

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Posts in this topic
- StreetRacing10PSI   4agze pistons ina 7afe???   Apr 21, 2005 - 3:47 PM
- - nik   QUOTE(StreetRacing10PSI @ Apr 21, 2005 - 1:47...   Apr 21, 2005 - 4:03 PM
- - StreetRacing10PSI   ok thanks, thats exactly what i needed to know. il...   Apr 21, 2005 - 4:07 PM
|- - nik   QUOTE(StreetRacing10PSI @ Apr 21, 2005 - 2:07...   Apr 21, 2005 - 4:11 PM
|- - doGGy   Ehm.... from 9.5 till 10.8 on stock bore to be exa...   Apr 21, 2005 - 4:15 PM
|- - nik   QUOTE(doGGy @ Apr 21, 2005 - 2:15 PM)Ehm.... ...   Apr 21, 2005 - 4:25 PM
- - Hanyo   have we figured out how to connect the 4a pistions...   Apr 21, 2005 - 6:59 PM
|- - Kwanza26   QUOTE(Hanyo @ Apr 21, 2005 - 11:59 PM)have we...   Apr 22, 2005 - 2:00 AM
- - Hanyo   so basically take the rod to a machine shop. and t...   Apr 22, 2005 - 8:19 AM
- - playr158   ok we have rods covered but where do we find the...   Apr 22, 2005 - 10:01 AM
|- - nik   QUOTE(playr158 @ Apr 22, 2005 - 8:01 AM)ok we...   Apr 22, 2005 - 10:31 AM
- - playr158   7afe   Apr 22, 2005 - 10:40 AM
|- - nik   QUOTE(playr158 @ Apr 22, 2005 - 8:40 AM)7afe ...   Apr 22, 2005 - 11:04 AM
- - playr158   just stick with new stock valves then   Apr 22, 2005 - 11:15 AM
|- - nik   QUOTE(playr158 @ Apr 22, 2005 - 9:15 AM)just ...   Apr 22, 2005 - 11:20 AM
- - playr158   yea i really don't tend to change the size jus...   Apr 22, 2005 - 12:29 PM
|- - nik   QUOTE(playr158 @ Apr 22, 2005 - 10:29 AM)yea ...   Apr 22, 2005 - 12:39 PM
- - playr158   well if you told me nik i would have gone in on r...   Apr 22, 2005 - 5:24 PM
- - StreetRacing10PSI   Yea, I am looking at new rods too. I think I am go...   Apr 22, 2005 - 9:26 PM
- - Dr_Tweak   Using 4AGZE pistons in a 7AFE will give you 11:1 c...   Apr 23, 2005 - 4:06 AM
|- - nik   QUOTE(raven_101 @ Apr 23, 2005 - 2:06 AM)Usin...   Apr 23, 2005 - 6:49 PM
- - playr158   you pulled those numbers from where?   Apr 23, 2005 - 10:05 AM
- - playr158   exactly ^^   Apr 23, 2005 - 6:51 PM
- - Dr_Tweak   The difference in compression between the two engi...   Apr 23, 2005 - 11:14 PM
|- - doGGy   WRONG. The diffetrence is not only in heads, the ...   Apr 24, 2005 - 2:15 PM
|- - Dr_Tweak   QUOTE(doGGy @ Apr 24, 2005 - 7:15 PM)WRONG. ...   Apr 24, 2005 - 3:36 PM
|- - doGGy   here im talking about 7AFE with GZE pistons. Not t...   Apr 24, 2005 - 3:39 PM
|- - Kwanza26   QUOTE(raven_101 @ Apr 24, 2005 - 8:36 PM)Thin...   Apr 24, 2005 - 7:33 PM
- - playr158   ok basically all we need to know is 4agze pistons...   Apr 24, 2005 - 9:07 PM
- - StreetRacing10PSI   all i really wanna know is what do i have to do to...   Apr 24, 2005 - 9:14 PM
- - Kwanza26   It'll raise your compression to higher than st...   Apr 24, 2005 - 9:47 PM
- - StreetRacing10PSI   ok, so i get my turbo probly some time this week o...   Apr 24, 2005 - 9:52 PM
- - playr158   you can boost a 10:1 cr fine at 10-15psi you just ...   Apr 24, 2005 - 9:57 PM
|- - Kwanza26   QUOTE(playr158 @ Apr 25, 2005 - 2:57 AM)you c...   Apr 25, 2005 - 2:39 AM
|- - nik   QUOTE(playr158 @ Apr 24, 2005 - 7:57 PM)you c...   Apr 28, 2005 - 10:44 AM
- - StreetRacing10PSI   i no, i posted a pic in the off topic forum i thin...   Apr 24, 2005 - 10:16 PM
- - Dr_Tweak   The answer to your question is in this thread. But...   Apr 25, 2005 - 3:03 AM
- - playr158   well then thank you for the piston link i knew goi...   Apr 25, 2005 - 7:18 AM
- - playr158   oh and just so we get the line down i refuse to sw...   Apr 25, 2005 - 7:20 AM
|- - nik   QUOTE(playr158 @ Apr 25, 2005 - 5:20 AM)oh an...   Apr 28, 2005 - 10:46 AM
- - playr158   well then i better make sure i have an aluminum ra...   Apr 28, 2005 - 2:30 PM
|- - nik   QUOTE(playr158 @ Apr 28, 2005 - 12:30 PM)well...   Apr 28, 2005 - 2:35 PM
- - playr158   i'm not a big fan of half rads i'd rather ...   Apr 28, 2005 - 2:44 PM
|- - nik   QUOTE(playr158 @ Apr 28, 2005 - 12:44 PM)i...   Apr 28, 2005 - 3:08 PM
- - playr158   i would say that the invader front we're both ...   Apr 28, 2005 - 6:26 PM
|- - nik   QUOTE(playr158 @ Apr 28, 2005 - 4:26 PM)i wou...   May 2, 2005 - 9:07 AM
- - 94ST2   OK I read through the post and we have seemed to h...   Apr 28, 2005 - 11:14 PM
- - playr158   already been convered you have two options low ...   Apr 29, 2005 - 8:36 AM
- - 94ST2   How much would the pistons and rods run?   May 1, 2005 - 11:40 PM
|- - Kwanza26   QUOTE(94ST2 @ May 2, 2005 - 4:40 AM)How much ...   May 2, 2005 - 12:23 AM
- - 94ST2   Yeah I was figuring around that much thanks.   May 2, 2005 - 12:28 AM
- - playr158   QUOTE(nik @ May 2, 2005 - 9:07 AM)QUOTE(playr...   May 2, 2005 - 11:06 AM
|- - nik   i just want it to look clean and not have 4' o...   May 2, 2005 - 11:50 AM
- - playr158   well you shouldnt see most of the hose since it wi...   May 2, 2005 - 12:36 PM
- - normality78   bro's, so may i assume that if i wanna build ...   Oct 29, 2005 - 1:57 AM
- - playr158   7age? your doing a head swap or a 7afe? if your b...   Oct 29, 2005 - 2:07 AM
- - normality78   Tks dude. Well engine has been open apart to chec...   Oct 29, 2005 - 11:30 PM
- - playr158   cause its an econobox head   Oct 30, 2005 - 2:59 PM
- - doGGy   K, time to write it again. As i know for now im t...   Oct 30, 2005 - 3:35 PM
|- - Dr_Tweak   QUOTE(doGGy @ Oct 30, 2005 - 8:35 PM)K, time ...   Oct 30, 2005 - 11:32 PM
|- - doGGy   CR ratio was CONFIRMED like 10 times already, but ...   Oct 31, 2005 - 3:17 AM
- - nik   I'M WITH DOGGY on this one it has been covered...   Oct 31, 2005 - 3:52 PM
- - Dr_Tweak   Well sorry I asked, but every single time I tell p...   Nov 1, 2005 - 12:48 AM
- - nik   QUOTE(Dr_Tweak @ Oct 31, 2005 - 10:48 PM)Well...   Nov 1, 2005 - 10:57 AM


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