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post May 25, 2003 - 12:49 PM
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I was reading the latest June 2003 import tuner and came across the Hyper Ground System in their turning pages. Under pros they said it had become a favorite product for them since it can make a lot of power and is pretty affordable comparted to other aftermarket products. However the Dyno showed absolutely no HP gain. And for cons they said it was the first time they were unable to produce a lot of power with the wires.

Does anybody have previous issues of this mag where they do produce a lot of power with grounding wires? Anybody have these? Know someone who does? Heard about them?
 
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post May 25, 2003 - 6:22 PM
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Check out April 2003 Turbomagazine Issue on page 86

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Grounding will added up to >0.1 - 1+HP depending on your existing ground + EMI noise in your car system.

The ground in your car, as it age, are not very good.

Because all cars now have electronics, the tolerance for interference is very high and you can have electronics not operating withing its tolerance.

Thoses CBers, Audio enthusiast know what I am talking about.

All components is grounded to the car frame. But look where the bad grounding comes in.

Now since all grounds are attach to the car frame, you only have 1+ grounds connected to the engines mass structure which is not a very good conductor all round since there are many electronics points and plate connections.

If is was all one blob of aluminium or steel or iron, then everything would be good.

So by using properly low resistance, EMI reduction wires, then you move toward a large mass grounded structure since you have the engine grounded at critical points.

This mean that full power will be supply to spark plugs (low resistance ground) and reduce EMI in the system. (which is feed back to the ECU)

Also, please note that a DC meter cannot measure a ground properly.

In a DC enviromnet, it is ok. But we are in a different environment. That enviroment consist of AC (Alternating Current) which is very sensitive to impedances changes and EMI noise. This impedance changes affects performances (sensors changes their characteristics a little bits, which the ecu have to compensate for).

This is why you have plug wire made to reduce EMI, spark plugs with resistors built in and shielding for sensitive equipment.

To summarise:- Adding HyperGound cables will increase HP+torque by a marginal amount depending on the number of cables use and where the those cables are attach to and how bad your ground system is and current electrical load (highly mods cars).

If you like, we can going into discuss on this latter.

This post has been edited by west_minist: May 25, 2003 - 10:19 PM


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Posts in this topic
- HyperDeathKill   Grounding Wires   May 25, 2003 - 12:49 PM
- - FallenHero   Ok, I've got an issue where the wires made 17 ...   May 25, 2003 - 3:27 PM
- - west_minist   Check out April 2003 Turbomagazine Issue on page 8...   May 25, 2003 - 6:22 PM
- - ghostdog   I didn't understand half of what west minist j...   May 25, 2003 - 6:59 PM
- - edo17982   I have R1 ground wire system on my car and the eng...   May 25, 2003 - 7:29 PM
- - west_minist   Sorry about that. I will edit it tomorrow and go o...   May 25, 2003 - 9:42 PM
- - boosted_K2   i understood it. awesome info... i have another qu...   May 25, 2003 - 11:22 PM
- - ghostdog   ahh, I re-read it and I get it now west minist, th...   May 25, 2003 - 11:55 PM
- - west_minist   You do not have to apply ground if you really do n...   May 26, 2003 - 6:00 AM
- - HyperDeathKill   Hmmm .1 to 2+ horse? Well that seems like a prett...   May 26, 2003 - 12:23 PM
- - west_minist   If you are at stock (just filter and exhaust), you...   May 26, 2003 - 12:27 PM
- - jayi12-15psi   it makes more sense to me to buy some 8 guage wire...   May 26, 2003 - 2:58 PM
- - jayi12-15psi   whats different about the systems they sell for ...   May 26, 2003 - 2:59 PM
- - west_minist   you do not need 8 gauge. But you see, thats the th...   May 26, 2003 - 3:09 PM
- - ghostdog   apparently our cars come with 10 gauge grounds, so...   May 26, 2003 - 4:06 PM
- - edo17982   those wires are specifically studied to have a gro...   May 26, 2003 - 6:09 PM
- - west_minist   QUOTE (edo17982 @ May 26, 2003 - 5:23 PM) those wi...   May 26, 2003 - 8:03 PM
- - ghostdog   okay thanks west minist, thats the answer I was lo...   May 26, 2003 - 8:08 PM
- - west_minist   Edward   May 26, 2003 - 10:45 PM
- - FallenHero   When they do this mod in the magazines, it normlly...   May 26, 2003 - 10:47 PM
- - west_minist   HP is derive from torque. I advice you to read th...   May 26, 2003 - 10:56 PM
- - HyperDeathKill   I'm extremely well versed in physics, but not ...   May 26, 2003 - 11:09 PM
- - west_minist   QUOTE (HyperDeathKill @ May 26, 2003 - 10:23 PM) I...   May 26, 2003 - 11:23 PM
- - FallenHero   I always thought of it like this. Torque is low e...   May 27, 2003 - 11:21 PM
- - KAMiX   The easiest way to explain torque, is that a car w...   May 28, 2003 - 12:42 AM
- - west_minist   http://www.dynoperformance.com/article_det...etail...   May 28, 2003 - 4:55 AM


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