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post Mar 17, 2006 - 9:33 PM
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This site has been going downhill. Some of you may have noticed
this...others are no longer here because of it. No-one knows this better
than myself. Little things turn into big arguments and many act as if
they're elite or just have bad attitudes in general. It's been this way
for too long, but enough is enough. It's going to stop.

Years ago, I knew nothing about my car. I bought it not even realizing
that there were seperate hatchback and coupe models. I started this site
with little knowledge myself, and as time went by, the site grew
quickly, as did my knowledge of the Celica. Fast forward to today, and I
drive one of the most unique and fun cars on the street. I've met dozens
of cool people and helped a lot of people out, and I've always had fun
doing it.

This site is a resource for the sixth generation Toyota Celica. Lately
though, it's felt more like a playground. People run around saying
whatever they want with little regard to others. Some people seem like
they're here to learn and contribute. Others may have just forgotten the
purpose of the site but can shape up and behave. Some seem like they're
just here to cause trouble. And then there are a few who have attitudes
as if they're elite.

Let me say this. No-one is better than anyone else here. You should
treat the guy who registered yesterday with with the same level of
respect that you show to me. Let me talk about respect for a minute. You
don't have to like everyone here, but you must treat everyone with
respect. There's no room for negative comments towards others or their
cars or an elitist attitude.

My main point with this letter is that the 6G Celicas community is
hurting. Smart, contributing members are being driven away by all the
garbage and negativity. As are brand new members, some with very little
knowledge like we ALL once had.

Some of you may remember the Celica.net days. Had I come to Celica.net
with my new car and no knowledge, posted a simple question, and received
a bombardment of disrespect and no answers, I would have left. I
wouldn't be here today. This site wouldn't be here today. But no, I was
greeted and treated with respect. People politely answered my questions
and pointed me in the direction of the search engine. I learned, and I
turned around and returned the favor by means of building this site to
help people out. My point is that everyone on here needs to be treated
with respect. You never know who might be the next pioneer.

The fact is that we're hurting ourselves. People are being driven away.
This may not be sad for some of you, but for those who love the sixth gen.
Celica and are here to learn and contribute, it's a tragedy.

It's time for a change, and change is coming. The choice is yours. If you're
here to learn and contribute and you want the community to live on, I'm
glad and I hope you enjoy it here. If you want to have a bad attitude and
cause problems, please leave now. If you think you're elite and are going
to post with that attitude that you're better than everyone else, please
leave now.

We need everyone's help to change and turn the site around. New rules
are now online. Everyone needs to follow them, or there will be consequences.

Management will be using the member warning system much more and we
won't hesitate to stop members who don't follow the rules from posting
without moderator approval.

This forum can be great. It's going to once again be great. We need all of your
help, and we need it now.

Thank You,
Christian Coomer


P.S.
  • Again, new rules are available here.
  • The feedback system for buyers/sellers will be online shortly.
  • On each post, you'll see a "Report This Post" link to the left under the author's details. If you find that a post is inappropriate, please use this link to report it.
  • 3-Letter searching isn't available on my current hosting setup(I asked and they said no.) I need a dedicated server, and that'll be probably $150-200 a month, so once the member subscriptions system is online, I should be able to fund that, move the site to a new dedicated server, and implement 3-letter searching.


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post Mar 20, 2006 - 5:49 PM
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snobby elite?

I would like to know who these people are because I have no idea who you are referring to. Please list user names and feel free to use mine if thats who you are referring to. I really want to know what you base this characterization on. Perhaps you are referring to people who have knowledge and take the time to help people.

Maybe you think some are "snobby" simply because they know the answer to a question and have the audacity to type it out and help someone because you assume that they are just trying to show off their knowledge. That is rediculous but I have no idea how else someone could conclude from an internet posting that the author is snobby. I certainly don't see many posts like "my car can smoke yours" (with the exception of me and Jeff joking around to try to drum up interest for the National meet).

As for the "elite" part, I am sure that could be remedied by encouraging people who have knowledge and who are willing to share it rather than critisizing them because someone has their feelings hurt when they are given an opinion that is not exactly what they want to hear.


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QUOTE(lagos @ Jul 10, 2006 - 1:55 PM) [snapback]454118[/snapback]

i know your trying to do the right thing for your motor, but this is one of those times where you should just trust the guys who have had their swaps for a while and have done a ton of research into this.
post Mar 20, 2006 - 6:04 PM
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QUOTE(jgreening @ Mar 20, 2006 - 10:49 PM) [snapback]410597[/snapback]


As for the "elite" part, I am sure that could be remedied by encouraging people who have knowledge and who are willing to share it rather than critisizing them because someone has their feelings hurt when they are given an opinion that is not exactly what they want to hear.

hence why I rarely answer anything anymore...

For me at least... answers come depending on how you asked the question. People who really need to know, or want to know... will ask the proper questions in a proper manner. If you post stuff that pisses me off, chances are I'll chime in and knock heads a bit. I suppose you could call it elite"ist"... but that's really just me... and it's not limited to newbies or anything... I'm sure a lot of the oldies have gone at it with me at one point or another. I personally think some people need this more-so than the mere slap on the wrist... but hell... generally I'm pretty nice. All of the people who have ever PM'ed me directly about something have always gotten detailed responses. When it comes down to it... I really do think being "nice" is a luxury people sometimes take advantage of. If you genuinely need help, ask politely and you'll get your answers sooner or later.

I'll pretty much always float around...

This post has been edited by Kwanza26: Mar 20, 2006 - 6:10 PM


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- - brianforster   I cant wait for 3 letter searching! What is th...   Mar 17, 2006 - 9:40 PM
- - JFrost9   i swore i wouldnt post in this, but i think these ...   Mar 17, 2006 - 9:59 PM
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- - Mike   point well made   Mar 17, 2006 - 10:18 PM
- - My2Celi   I have so much respect for you coomer. i mean that...   Mar 17, 2006 - 10:21 PM
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- - celica47   Thanks Coom....i knew that problem was coming to h...   Mar 17, 2006 - 10:35 PM
- - Jen   Thank you.   Mar 17, 2006 - 11:37 PM
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- - defgeph   Very well put Coomer. I'm very happy about th...   Mar 18, 2006 - 12:20 AM
- - Bigmeanbulldog55   It breaks my heart when I see this post. I knew t...   Mar 18, 2006 - 12:23 AM
|- - Batman722   QUOTE(Bigmeanbulldog55 @ Mar 18, 2006 - ...   Mar 18, 2006 - 12:34 AM
- - Fate   very well put and very necessary.   Mar 18, 2006 - 12:50 AM
- - hitcachi   Coomer.....I'm an addict. Hi, my name is Jim a...   Mar 18, 2006 - 12:50 AM
- - j0e_p3t   i love this place   Mar 18, 2006 - 1:53 AM
- - nader   well said coomer, this site and the people here ha...   Mar 18, 2006 - 2:03 AM
- - K-ESD   totaly agree with you   Mar 18, 2006 - 2:21 AM
- - Nibbe   I would say you have to put this onto the front pa...   Mar 18, 2006 - 2:41 AM
- - 95CelicaST   This place is bursting with knowledge about anythi...   Mar 18, 2006 - 2:54 AM
- - CelicaSTX02   I've been a member on this forum since the yea...   Mar 18, 2006 - 11:55 AM
- - dstrbcelica   very well said coomer. i don't even have my ce...   Mar 18, 2006 - 12:12 PM
- - Niskyspy   Well, I see that you are saying that the web is ge...   Mar 18, 2006 - 12:15 PM
- - crismillencolin   Well said coomer , shame you had to eventually say...   Mar 18, 2006 - 12:26 PM
- - 94gts   I'm like CelicaSTX02, I've been a member s...   Mar 18, 2006 - 12:53 PM
- - Supersprynt   RE: 4. Please refrain from posting pointless posts...   Mar 18, 2006 - 1:07 PM
|- - defgeph   QUOTE(Supersprynt @ Mar 18, 2006 - 1...   Mar 18, 2006 - 6:12 PM
|- - Celicaca   QUOTE(defgeph @ Mar 18, 2006 - 11:12...   Mar 18, 2006 - 9:06 PM
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- - orvillescelica   I too am a member that has been here since the sta...   Mar 18, 2006 - 8:09 PM
- - ILuvMyCelica95   you know Celicaca this is the kind of stuff Coomer...   Mar 18, 2006 - 9:30 PM
- - ThAixGuYx2k7   well said man ive deffinately learned A LOT off o...   Mar 18, 2006 - 9:32 PM
- - Aaagogo   just my 2 cents, none of my post has never been ...   Mar 18, 2006 - 9:36 PM
- - b1gr3d   i'm not the most knowledgablf of members but t...   Mar 18, 2006 - 11:17 PM
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|- - crismillencolin   QUOTE(bojangles_8686 @ Mar 19, 2006 - 8...   Mar 19, 2006 - 8:49 AM
- - afroman   I didnt read all the replies but, i can understand...   Mar 19, 2006 - 10:36 AM
|- - jgreening   QUOTE(afroman @ Mar 19, 2006 - 9:36 ...   Mar 19, 2006 - 9:06 PM
- - bigal004321   I think alot of it has to do with the fact that al...   Mar 19, 2006 - 10:40 AM
- - GT4WRC   Everyone needs to remember that we are basically C...   Mar 19, 2006 - 7:59 PM
- - Will_LT   I've been coming to site this since mid januar...   Mar 19, 2006 - 8:24 PM
- - trdproven   This letter really makes a lot of sense, especiall...   Mar 19, 2006 - 9:02 PM
- - lagos   QUOTE(jgreening @ Mar 19, 2006 - 9:0...   Mar 19, 2006 - 9:11 PM
- - easternpiro1   i thought i was the only one that was noticing the...   Mar 20, 2006 - 1:15 PM
- - K-ESD   QUOTE(bigal004321 @ Mar 19, 2006 - 11...   Mar 20, 2006 - 2:51 PM
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|- - Kwanza26   QUOTE(jgreening @ Mar 20, 2006 - 10...   Mar 20, 2006 - 6:04 PM
- - Coomer   OK, I posted this letter because I didn't want...   Mar 20, 2006 - 6:05 PM
- - afroman   edited due to coomers post -Aaron-   Mar 20, 2006 - 6:05 PM
- - lagos   all i have to say is WOW... the THOUGHT POLICE is ...   Mar 20, 2006 - 6:10 PM
|- - Coomer   QUOTE(lagos @ Mar 20, 2006 - 3:10 PM...   Mar 20, 2006 - 6:12 PM
- - jgreening   My apologies. A Statement critisizing people that...   Mar 20, 2006 - 6:11 PM
|- - celicarus   QUOTE(jgreening @ Mar 20, 2006 - 5:1...   Mar 20, 2006 - 6:43 PM
- - lagos   QUOTE(Coomer @ Mar 20, 2006 - 6:12 P...   Mar 20, 2006 - 6:14 PM
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- - K-ESD   this is an example of what i've been told once...   Mar 20, 2006 - 7:34 PM
- - Supersprynt   QUOTE(Celicaca @ Mar 18, 2006 - 9:06...   Mar 21, 2006 - 7:42 AM
- - syaoran60085   Well said. I do like this new ideas of yours. I do...   Mar 21, 2006 - 8:41 PM
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