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turbocharger VS supercharger
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post Apr 13, 2006 - 10:15 AM
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so what kind of power and torque differences can i expect with a supercharger instead of a turbo with my 98 gt? any input is very appreciative!


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post Apr 14, 2006 - 3:59 PM
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QUOTE(Cutrara @ Apr 13, 2006 - 4:16 PM) [snapback]421158[/snapback]

Superchargers are better cause there's virtually no lag, but the only kit made for the 5S is rare. A good option for an ST driver would be a 4A-GZE swap.

no, supercharger actually takes power to make it work, a turbo is free power, so you will make more power with a turbo, and with a variable geometry turbo, there is no lag
post Apr 14, 2006 - 5:23 PM
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QUOTE(team_omega @ Apr 14, 2006 - 1:47 PM) [snapback]421592[/snapback]

but remember that a supercharger runs on a belt which will give more stress to the engine.

Huh? A turbo adds exhaust backpressure and heat.... I'd say that's not great for an engine either

QUOTE(lilsteeg @ Apr 14, 2006 - 1:59 PM) [snapback]421598[/snapback]

no, supercharger actually takes power to make it work, a turbo is free power, so you will make more power with a turbo, and with a variable geometry turbo, there is no lag

Turbos do not make 'free power'... there is generally less airflow through the motor at a given boost pressure because of the increased exhaust backpressure. The parasitic losses of a turbo are hidden from being able to be measured because they are directly related to the amount of power they are creating, instead of engine speed.

There is also no such thing as "no lag" with a turbo. There will always be some... Most of the time, its not really noticable (the boost comes up with the throttle as long as you don't slam on the gas).

Also, I dare you to find a VTN turbo out there that someone could adapt to a 'normal' car at this point. Maybe someday soon (they are already used in new diesels...).

Eh, whatever. My point is, there are no absolutes in the turbocharge/supercharge debate.

Generally though: Reliability/predicability goes to supercharging, power/tunability goes to turbocharging.

I have personally gone with turbos on all my cars because I like to tinker. If I wanted a 'set and forget' thing for 30-60k miles+, I'd try to find a supercharger option...

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Posts in this topic
- m0dd3d1   turbo vs. super   Apr 13, 2006 - 10:15 AM
- - yungazzdriver   the only thing you can expect is to keep spinning ...   Apr 13, 2006 - 4:11 PM
- - Cutrara   Superchargers are better cause there's virtual...   Apr 13, 2006 - 4:16 PM
- - madmods   Supercharger!   Apr 14, 2006 - 12:30 AM
- - burneeed   blower for our cars = dumb   Apr 14, 2006 - 12:57 AM
|- - madmods   QUOTE(burneeed @ Apr 14, 2006 - 5:57...   Apr 14, 2006 - 1:24 AM
- - tomazws   somewhere i read said supercharger eats power.... ...   Apr 14, 2006 - 1:37 AM
- - 95CelicaST   A turbocharger will give you lag A supercharger wi...   Apr 14, 2006 - 2:00 AM
- - Hanyo   i prefer supercharger over turbo for our cars beca...   Apr 14, 2006 - 2:27 AM
- - 97sccelica   QUOTE(Hanyo @ Apr 14, 2006 - 12:27 A...   Apr 14, 2006 - 4:28 AM
- - presure2   QUOTE voted supercharge because I prefer to have a...   Apr 14, 2006 - 5:46 AM
- - Fastbird   This could go either way. Supercharger: Overal...   Apr 14, 2006 - 7:13 AM
- - NuclearHappineS   I owned a custom turboed car, a stock twin turoed ...   Apr 14, 2006 - 9:33 AM
- - 97sccelica   i'll tell you have to defeat lag DOWNSHIFT j...   Apr 14, 2006 - 2:25 PM
- - team_omega   but remember that a supercharger runs on a belt wh...   Apr 14, 2006 - 3:47 PM
- - lilsteeg   QUOTE(Cutrara @ Apr 13, 2006 - 4:16 ...   Apr 14, 2006 - 3:59 PM
|- - phattyduck   QUOTE(team_omega @ Apr 14, 2006 - 1...   Apr 14, 2006 - 5:23 PM
- - NuclearHappineS   QUOTEGenerally though: Reliability/predicability g...   Apr 15, 2006 - 3:33 AM
- - burneeed   yes blowers are dumb for our cars. Theres really ...   Apr 15, 2006 - 2:41 PM
- - pandakid   i want turbo,i love that blow-off sound   Apr 15, 2006 - 2:59 PM
|- - Cavanagh   QUOTE(pandakid @ Apr 15, 2006 - 2:59...   Apr 16, 2006 - 11:21 PM
- - 97lestyousay   I have two answers. I would say for a long stroke...   Apr 15, 2006 - 6:26 PM
|- - Fastbird   QUOTE(97lestyousay @ Apr 15, 2006 - 7...   Apr 16, 2006 - 6:51 AM
- - madmods   This is going to be an interesting post, and lets ...   Apr 16, 2006 - 1:49 AM
- - AllTrac96   well put madmods we'll have to wait and see...   Apr 16, 2006 - 2:07 AM
- - burneeed   4-6? Where did you hear that crazy number from? ...   Apr 16, 2006 - 4:18 AM
|- - madmods   QUOTE(burneeed @ Apr 16, 2006 - 9:18...   Apr 16, 2006 - 5:12 AM
- - burneeed   honestly a swap isnt going to cost you that much m...   Apr 16, 2006 - 9:05 AM
|- - madmods   QUOTE(burneeed @ Apr 16, 2006 - 2:05...   Apr 16, 2006 - 7:35 PM
- - lilsteeg   aaaaaahhhhhhhhhhh i love not having emissions ha h...   Apr 16, 2006 - 1:00 PM
- - burneeed   thats not even right.... I wish I had my car regge...   Apr 16, 2006 - 2:10 PM
- - Shigexile   i like both, nut i think i wanna go with the super...   Apr 16, 2006 - 3:06 PM
- - lilsteeg   QUOTE(burneeed @ Apr 16, 2006 - 2:10...   Apr 16, 2006 - 3:40 PM
|- - LimitedST   get both!   Apr 16, 2006 - 4:03 PM
- - burneeed   eh how much is the total going to be on the rip bl...   Apr 16, 2006 - 7:59 PM
- - brianforster   all im going to say about the rippmods supercharge...   Apr 16, 2006 - 8:20 PM
- - lilsteeg   QUOTE(LimitedST @ Apr 16, 2006 - 4:0...   Apr 16, 2006 - 9:47 PM
- - CelicaZR   I guess this is up to personal preferences. I have...   Apr 16, 2006 - 10:36 PM
- - lilsteeg   QUOTE(Cavanagh @ Apr 16, 2006 - 11:2...   Apr 17, 2006 - 4:06 PM
- - playr158   you see more SC on domestic because of the displac...   Apr 17, 2006 - 4:25 PM
- - Mr2swift   You guys make some good points but don't forge...   Apr 23, 2006 - 2:00 AM
|- - nik   QUOTE(Mr2swift @ Apr 23, 2006 - 12:0...   Apr 26, 2006 - 10:59 AM
|- - Mr2swift   whats the specs on the 7agze and whats it going in...   Apr 27, 2006 - 4:40 AM
- - 97sccelica   QUOTE(lilsteeg @ Apr 17, 2006 - 2:06...   Apr 26, 2006 - 1:42 PM
- - presure2   thats not too shabby at all ron. looks like there ...   Apr 27, 2006 - 8:16 AM
- - Mr2swift   QUOTE(presure2 @ Apr 27, 2006 - 1:16...   Apr 27, 2006 - 2:24 PM


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