 Controlling boost for better traction, and other means of improving grip |
 May 22, 2006 - 2:28 PM
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For a while i was considering buying myself a new toy, Turbosmart E-Boost 2, an EBC with a variety of features, one of them being the capability to map boost against time, rpm or GEAR. Now, I have noticed that breaking the traction on street tires is likely to occur not only on a hard launch from a dead stop, but also at WOT in 1st and 2nd gear short time after going over 10psi. Since this unit can control boost depending on gear i guess we could use it to stay within limits of traction in those gears! yes? no? suggestions? comments?
Since im still on internal WG and my actuator is on 13-14 psi, the EBC itself wouldn't help... Is there a way to lower WG actuaction pressure?? That is without welding the flapper shut and going external. This post has been edited by CilverSeliST205: May 23, 2006 - 12:13 AM -------------------- QUOTE(tufy @ Jul 19, 2006 - 7:40 AM) [snapback]458074[/snapback] i dont drive fast, i just fly low |
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May 22, 2006 - 9:33 PM
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Its a good idea. It is a topic that I have thought alot about. Here is a list of ways to address traction issues:
1. Wider / stickier tires 2. Traction control computer ($1000+) 3. RPM/Gear Dependent Boost Control - boost controller or EMS. 4. Traction bars (would be a fabricated piece but alot of fwd hondas have aftermarket pieces available) I think you should do #1 before #2 or #3 because it is allows you to harness more power. The same might be said for #4 but its really uncharted territory for the 6gc. -------------------- QUOTE(lagos @ Jul 10, 2006 - 1:55 PM) [snapback]454118[/snapback] i know your trying to do the right thing for your motor, but this is one of those times where you should just trust the guys who have had their swaps for a while and have done a ton of research into this. |
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May 22, 2006 - 11:50 PM
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QUOTE(jgreening @ May 22, 2006 - 10:33 PM) [snapback]436860[/snapback] 1. Wider / stickier tires 2. Traction control computer ($1000+) 3. RPM/Gear Dependent Boost Control - boost controller or EMS. 4. Traction bars (would be a fabricated piece but alot of fwd hondas have aftermarket pieces available) 5. Stiffer motor mounts 6. Stiffer suspension 7. Wastegate/spool-up control - progressive opening of the wastegate could be used to bring the boost up at slower rate - staying within traction limits 8. Limited slip diffrentials -------------------- QUOTE(tufy @ Jul 19, 2006 - 7:40 AM) [snapback]458074[/snapback] i dont drive fast, i just fly low |
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May 23, 2006 - 11:12 AM
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QUOTE(CilverSeliST205 @ May 22, 2006 - 11:50 PM) [snapback]436933[/snapback] QUOTE(jgreening @ May 22, 2006 - 10:33 PM) [snapback]436860[/snapback] 1. Wider / stickier tires 2. Traction control computer ($1000+) 3. RPM/Gear Dependent Boost Control - boost controller or EMS. 4. Traction bars (would be a fabricated piece but alot of fwd hondas have aftermarket pieces available) 5. Stiffer motor mounts 6. Stiffer suspension 7. Wastegate/spool-up control - progressive opening of the wastegate could be used to bring the boost up at slower rate - staying within traction limits 8. Limited slip diffrentials 9. Superglue and egg yolk tread application -------------------- QUOTE(lagos @ Jul 10, 2006 - 1:55 PM) [snapback]454118[/snapback] i know your trying to do the right thing for your motor, but this is one of those times where you should just trust the guys who have had their swaps for a while and have done a ton of research into this. |
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CilverSeliST205 Controlling boost for better traction May 22, 2006 - 2:28 PM
Supersprynt The AVCR has that feature also. You have to teach ... May 22, 2006 - 2:53 PM brianforster i cant wait for this topic to be more developed th... May 22, 2006 - 3:03 PM phattyduck QUOTE(CilverSeliST205 @ May 22, 2006 - 1... May 22, 2006 - 4:56 PM
CilverSeliST205 QUOTE(phattyduck @ May 22, 2006 - 5... May 23, 2006 - 12:03 AM jgreening QUOTE(CilverSeliST205 @ May 22, 2006 - 1... May 23, 2006 - 6:49 AM CilverSeliST205 QUOTE(jgreening @ May 23, 2006 - 6:4... May 23, 2006 - 8:34 AM jgreening QUOTE(CilverSeliST205 @ May 23, 2006 - 8... May 23, 2006 - 8:38 AM CilverSeliST205 QUOTE(jgreening @ May 23, 2006 - 8:3... May 23, 2006 - 9:06 AM jgreening QUOTE(CilverSeliST205 @ May 23, 2006 - 9... May 23, 2006 - 10:24 AM CilverSeliST205 QUOTE(jgreening @ May 23, 2006 - 10... May 23, 2006 - 11:09 AM swerve Racelogic Traction Control - the Supra guys swear ... Jun 5, 2006 - 9:24 PM lagos its all about the tires. running less boost might... May 22, 2006 - 9:59 PM defgeph As noted above, a wide pair of stickies would do t... May 22, 2006 - 11:36 PM brianforster could you guys explain what a traction bar is? May 22, 2006 - 11:40 PM defgeph Edit : Bolts up to the front. May 22, 2006 - 11:44 PM jgreening QUOTE(defgeph @ May 22, 2006 - 11:44... May 23, 2006 - 9:02 AM brianforster so youd have to remove them to street drive it? May 22, 2006 - 11:46 PM defgeph QUOTE(brianforster @ May 23, 2006 - 12... May 22, 2006 - 11:49 PM brianforster then in my opinion traction bars for our car shoul... May 22, 2006 - 11:53 PM lagos QUOTE You can't just drive around in slicks al... May 23, 2006 - 11:12 AM jgreening QUOTE(lagos @ May 23, 2006 - 11:12 A... May 23, 2006 - 11:16 AM CilverSeliST205 QUOTE(jgreening @ May 23, 2006 - 11... May 23, 2006 - 11:46 AM presure2 thing is art...you never really drive your car har... May 23, 2006 - 11:25 AM Kadett QUOTE(jgreening @ May 23, 2006 - 5:2... May 23, 2006 - 12:40 PM lagos QUOTE(presure2 @ May 23, 2006 - 12:2... May 23, 2006 - 12:50 PM CilverSeliST205 QUOTE(lagos @ May 23, 2006 - 12:50 P... May 23, 2006 - 12:59 PM lagos what tire do they put on the stock SRT-4's?
Q... May 23, 2006 - 1:21 PM CilverSeliST205 QUOTE(lagos @ May 23, 2006 - 1:21 PM... May 23, 2006 - 1:29 PM jgreening I nominate this thread for sticky. May 24, 2006 - 11:55 AM CilverSeliST205 QUOTE(jgreening @ May 24, 2006 - 11... May 24, 2006 - 3:00 PM jgreening Here is the Full-Race Article on traction bars:
T... May 24, 2006 - 4:13 PM presure2 interesting reading, guys.
jay, how will this bolt... May 25, 2006 - 5:44 AM CilverSeliST205 Torque Damper (AKA Engine Damper) - I read somewhe... Jun 12, 2006 - 1:08 PM presure2 QUOTE(CilverSeliST205 @ Jun 12, 2006 - 2... Jun 12, 2006 - 1:33 PM playr158 those "stiffy's" are pretty universa... Jun 12, 2006 - 1:21 PM lagos ive been thinking about adding an alltrac like to... Jun 12, 2006 - 1:47 PM playr158 http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/INFINITI-AL...07271... Jun 12, 2006 - 1:55 PM lagos http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/PROJECTSILV...bayph... Jun 12, 2006 - 2:03 PM playr158 well with pretty much any shock...given a few hour... Jun 12, 2006 - 2:17 PM jgreening QUOTE(playr158 @ Jun 12, 2006 - 2:17... Jun 12, 2006 - 2:23 PM lagos the bar should go in the same factory location as ... Jun 12, 2006 - 2:35 PM phattyduck QUOTE(lagos @ Jun 12, 2006 - 12:35 P... Jun 13, 2006 - 1:58 PM Kadett What I find strange is that there isn't one on... Jun 12, 2006 - 2:53 PM jgreening I think it would be better to mount a torque bar u... Jun 12, 2006 - 3:06 PM CilverSeliST205 QUOTE(jgreening @ Jun 12, 2006 - 3:0... Jun 13, 2006 - 10:14 AM CilverSeliST205 For you guys with filled mounts, is there a signif... Jun 13, 2006 - 9:52 AM defgeph QUOTE(CilverSeliST205 @ Jun 13, 2006 - 1... Jun 13, 2006 - 9:57 AM presure2 ive noticed my filled mount starting to "chun... Jun 13, 2006 - 10:03 AM playr158 QUOTE(jgreening @ Jun 12, 2006 - 3:2... Jun 13, 2006 - 1:37 PM eggman40 Its funny you guys mention the engine damper becau... Jun 13, 2006 - 3:22 PM jgreening QUOTE(eggman40 @ Jun 13, 2006 - 3:22... Jun 13, 2006 - 4:29 PM lagos QUOTE(presure2 @ Jun 13, 2006 - 11:0... Jun 13, 2006 - 7:35 PM eggman40 QUOTE(lagos @ Jun 14, 2006 - 12:35 A... Jun 13, 2006 - 8:09 PM lagos it will work for any car using GT front and rear m... Jun 13, 2006 - 8:13 PM CilverSeliST205 This 500whp SRT4 uses AVCR to control boost per RP... Jul 3, 2006 - 11:01 AM jgreening QUOTE(CilverSeliST205 @ Jul 3, 2006 - 11... Jul 3, 2006 - 2:55 PM Kadett QUOTE(jgreening @ Jul 3, 2006 - 9:55... Jul 3, 2006 - 3:07 PM |
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