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post May 16, 2006 - 11:18 AM
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Hey all,
So, I've finally made my decision about what to do with the 5sfte, and ways to improve it, and as we all know one of the main areas that we're lacking is tuning, or lack there of, I should say! haha..
Anyway, I've been doing some research on the various piggybacks out there, and I've decided to go ahead and try the Greddy Emanage Ultimate.
I'm gonna try and make this thread somewhat like my turbo thread, with lots of pictures and info, spread out over the whole experience from beginning to end.
So, with that in mind, let me just go over a few things before I really start in with the 'Ultimate stuff.
For those who havent seen the thread yet, or are new to the board, heres a link to my turbo thread.
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That pretty much covers my particular setup, and what I've done with it to date.
Just for the record, the car is driven daily, and NOT babied at all.
That being said, as crazy as it may sound, I really DO believe there is more in it, and fairly reliably as well.
Since the install last June, I've learned tons about how this thing we call the 5SFTE really works, why it does what it does, and I'm still learning tons and tons more about it everyday.
I really cannot stress how important it is to try and learn as much as possible about your particular setup, what does and doesnt work, and why it does what it does.
I think one of the main issues we need to look at is how the stock N/A ECU applies timing VS' say a stock 3SGTE ecu, which is one of our big hurdles when it comes to tuning, and IMO one of the main reasons alot of guys loose the 5sfte battle...lol
I've noticed during my dyno runs, when i had the BTM installed, that the ECU REALLY seemed to be pulling ALOT of timing, right at 4450RPM, as you can see in this dyno run:
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At first i thought it may have somthing to do with the BTM, so I played with it some, and it seemed the more I turned it down, the less it seemed to pull back, so I finally got to the point where it was totally @ 0, and I removed it.
Although i could still feel it pulling timing, it was ALOT better without the BTM, and here is my theory why: (this is JUST A THEORY, I AM NOT SAYING THIS IS WITHOUT A DOUBT WHATS HAPPENING, keep that in mind.
the factory ECU has timing maps that are set for N/A operation. at the torque peak, there is just too much timing in the factory map for the amount of boost im trying to run, on pump gas. by the time the ecu reacts, im hitting the knock sensor, causing the ecu to pull out timing, and that coupled with the timing already being pulled by the BTM ( im WAY into full boost by then..lol) just makes the whole thing worse.
I really think that with the features of the Emanage ultimate, I'll be able to totally solve that issue, and really improve my tune all around.
First thing I've done, is head right over to www.greddy.com , and downloaded the installation and operation manuals from there.
Once I did a little reading, I noticed some really cool features that I thing will REALLY help us get a MUCH improved tune on our 5SFTE's.
heres a screenshot of some of the features it has:



cool stuff.
I'll keep updating this post over the next couple of days with lots more info and stuff..
for now,
DISCUSS!!
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post May 19, 2006 - 6:27 AM
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heres a screenshot of what the operational maps look like, i have displayed the 3 maps ill prolly use the most of.
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the injector map, which to me is gonna be the biggest single improvment over the safc, because it allows the ability to add or trim fuel independant of airflow(in other words, no timing compensation!)
the ignition map, which will allow me to manipulate timing.
and a really cool feature, the Air intake tempature compensation map. this feature will allow me to compensate with more fuel as the intake air temp rises. great stuff for us, especially on those hotter days, on hard boost runs where the intercooler is becoming less and less effective.
there are quite a few other maps available, as you can see in the box to the left.
individual cylinder adjustment, acceleration adjustment, as well as airflow adjustment maps are all available,
good stuff IMO, just a matter of learning and applying. smile.gif


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post May 19, 2006 - 9:15 AM
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Are you going to shell out some money for wideband 02 ? or just use intuition and egt that you already have? (imo not a good idea)... Or do you have a cheap hook up on a dynamometer ? Good luck with tuning! hope you get your money's worth from emanage... then i will buy one too biggrin.gif


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post May 25, 2006 - 9:24 AM
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QUOTE(CilverSeliST205 @ May 19, 2006 - 10:15 AM) [snapback]435674[/snapback]

Are you going to shell out some money for wideband 02 ? or just use intuition and egt that you already have? (imo not a good idea)... Or do you have a cheap hook up on a dynamometer ? Good luck with tuning! hope you get your money's worth from emanage... then i will buy one too biggrin.gif

another note on this:

another really cool feature of the 'ultimate, is that once you do have the wideband, it has a map called "A/F Target".
what you do is input what you want your Air/Fuel Ratio to be at a given RPM 'VS Airflow, and the emanage will input the correction needed itself, to get to your target a/f ratio.
here is a screenshot of what that looks like, with a dummy map i setup, just to give you an idea of what the map looks like filled out.
these #s in the map ARE NOT my settings for this map, it is only an example.

it looks like a lot of info to input, but using the interpolate feature, i made this map in about 5-10 minutes.
here is a cpoy/paste from the manual about it:

A/F Target Map
• This map is used to automatically program the selected map (in the “A/F Taget” section in the
parameter) with the inputed A/F values.
• This feature will monitor the A/F sensor that is connected to the “OPTION” port and confiured in
the “”Front Panel” and make the proper adjustment to the selected map to achieve the inputed
air/fuel ratio.
(How to set)
• Input the A/F target value for the corresponding load and rpm points.
* Be sure to input “-” in the area where factory ecu is in the closed loop (ecu monitoring and
correcting by monitoring the factory O2 sensor signal).
* While the ecu is in closed loop, ecu will continuously adjust the ari/fuel ratio between 14~15.
During this time, A/F Target map feature will not function propelly since the ecu is making
adjustments.
* To force the ecu to go in to Open Loop, “Auxiliary Output Map” can be used.

more good stuff!


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Posts in this topic
- presure2   My Emanage Ultimate experience   May 16, 2006 - 11:18 AM
- - x_itchy_b_x   i played with an emanage the tunning on those thin...   May 16, 2006 - 12:59 PM
- - AllTrac96   with that ripp kit that i got i am going to sell t...   May 16, 2006 - 2:14 PM
- - Silver94CelicaOwner   Awesome post Manny. I can't wait to see how f...   May 17, 2006 - 12:04 AM
- - shin   i would like to know more bout this emanage ultima...   May 17, 2006 - 11:27 PM
- - madmods   I'm right behind you also Manny. Your alot mor...   May 18, 2006 - 8:14 AM
- - presure2   QUOTE Your alot more gifted tuner then I'll ev...   May 18, 2006 - 9:34 AM
- - OOBE   Good stuff, man. It's gonna be great!   May 18, 2006 - 12:28 PM
- - presure2   heres a screenshot of what the operational maps lo...   May 19, 2006 - 6:27 AM
|- - CilverSeliST205   Are you going to shell out some money for wideband...   May 19, 2006 - 9:15 AM
|- - presure2   QUOTE(CilverSeliST205 @ May 19, 2006 - 1...   May 19, 2006 - 9:26 AM
|- - presure2   QUOTE(CilverSeliST205 @ May 19, 2006 - 1...   May 25, 2006 - 9:24 AM
|- - CilverSeliST205   Good stuff! Looks like Ultimate is there half ...   May 25, 2006 - 10:31 AM
|- - presure2   QUOTE(CilverSeliST205 @ May 25, 2006 - 1...   May 25, 2006 - 10:35 AM
- - 97sccelica   looks awesome. if i ever turbo the celica again, ...   May 19, 2006 - 3:35 PM
- - OOBE   For wideband, I recommend an LM-1...very nice for ...   May 19, 2006 - 7:50 PM
- - CilverSeliST205   Bump! How is the tuning going ? Any useful fea...   May 22, 2006 - 9:56 AM
|- - presure2   QUOTE(CilverSeliST205 @ May 22, 2006 - 1...   May 22, 2006 - 10:23 AM
- - lagos   QUOTEanother really cool feature of the 'ultim...   May 25, 2006 - 12:53 PM
- - defgeph   Manny, excellent work with all the research you a...   May 30, 2006 - 12:01 AM
- - Rayme   Are you saying that the BTM is kinda useless along...   Jun 3, 2006 - 11:58 AM
- - presure2   well, for me, the BTM was usless. the SAFCII does ...   Jun 3, 2006 - 2:19 PM
- - CilverSeliST205   Any updates on this ? I can't let this thread ...   Jul 21, 2006 - 12:36 PM
- - presure2   naa, not really, ive been really broke, so there h...   Jul 21, 2006 - 1:54 PM
- - presure2   http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAP...3244...   Dec 11, 2006 - 6:14 PM
- - x_itchy_b_x   NICE 5sfte emanage in the works.   Dec 11, 2006 - 7:39 PM
- - defgeph   Nice work ! You are the man.   Dec 11, 2006 - 8:45 PM
- - lagos   thats awesome. glad you finally got it. cant wait ...   Dec 11, 2006 - 11:16 PM
- - Silver94CelicaOwner   Manny, thats awesome news!! I wish you the...   Dec 12, 2006 - 12:27 AM
- - Conwa   Does this unit come with al the sensors en harness...   Dec 12, 2006 - 1:25 PM
|- - presure2   QUOTE(Conwa @ Dec 12, 2006 - 1:25 PM...   Dec 12, 2006 - 4:39 PM
- - elvasoshexai   wow.. that's a really good price... is that th...   Dec 13, 2006 - 11:24 AM
|- - presure2   QUOTE(elvasoshexai @ Dec 13, 2006 - 11...   Dec 13, 2006 - 4:41 PM
- - presure2   ok, heres a "cheat sheet" wiring diagram...   Dec 13, 2006 - 8:14 PM
- - NuclearHappineS   dude if you cropped that picture it would've b...   Dec 14, 2006 - 11:00 AM
|- - presure2   QUOTE(NuclearHappineS @ Dec 14, 2006 - 1...   Dec 14, 2006 - 5:04 PM
- - presure2   another update on the goings on with my emanage ul...   Dec 17, 2006 - 10:06 AM
- - shin   awesome manny. wish i could've kept the celi t...   Dec 17, 2006 - 11:06 AM
- - NuclearHappineS   you not pick 3sgte (PR) which should be a gen 3/4 ...   Dec 17, 2006 - 11:26 AM
|- - presure2   QUOTE(NuclearHappineS @ Dec 17, 2006 - 1...   Dec 17, 2006 - 1:45 PM
- - WALKER   Best of Luck! I hope all works out great for ...   Dec 18, 2006 - 1:28 PM
- - presure2   got the unit in today, its smaller than i pictured...   Dec 21, 2006 - 7:05 PM
- - x_itchy_b_x   SICCCK. yeah isnt it crazy how small they are. i t...   Dec 21, 2006 - 8:37 PM
- - defgeph   Awesome dude, congrats ! keep us updated .....   Dec 22, 2006 - 12:15 AM
- - presure2   WOOOOOOOOOOOOOT its in, and running!!...   Dec 24, 2006 - 9:52 PM
- - x_itchy_b_x   nice man!!! cant wait to hear more.   Dec 24, 2006 - 10:05 PM
- - shin   NICE~. show us comparison of dyno charts after don...   Dec 26, 2006 - 4:13 PM
- - presure2   ok guys...i have been very sick since last week, s...   Dec 26, 2006 - 7:03 PM
- - playr158   Nice Manny, looks like its coming along well welc...   Dec 27, 2006 - 1:29 AM
- - lagos   I believe this graph shows us the recent seismic a...   Dec 27, 2006 - 2:08 AM
- - presure2   thanks guys, yea, art, your right, i WILL be buzy ...   Dec 27, 2006 - 3:33 AM
- - NuclearHappineS   can it log total timing ... what's your total ...   Dec 27, 2006 - 1:53 PM
|- - presure2   QUOTE(NuclearHappineS @ Dec 27, 2006 - 1...   Dec 28, 2006 - 11:40 AM
- - x_itchy_b_x   QUOTE(presure2 @ Dec 28, 2006 - 1:40...   Dec 28, 2006 - 11:45 AM
- - lagos   QUOTEThis is gunna effect the 5sfte community imme...   Dec 28, 2006 - 1:03 PM
|- - Hanyo   QUOTE(lagos @ Dec 28, 2006 - 10:03 A...   Dec 30, 2006 - 4:36 AM
- - elvasoshexai   w00t! i just recieved mine from the same selle...   Jan 22, 2007 - 12:15 AM
- - WannabeGT4   Hey Manny, Can the ultimate lock the timing so tha...   Jun 7, 2007 - 1:44 PM
|- - presure2   QUOTE(WannabeGT4 @ Jun 7, 2007 - 2:4...   Jun 7, 2007 - 4:20 PM
- - OOBE   Poor Manny, hehehe.   Jun 8, 2007 - 11:49 PM
- - NuclearHappineS   Sup man, This is off topic (for my benz) ... C...   Jul 6, 2008 - 3:52 AM
|- - presure2   QUOTE (NuclearHappineS @ Jul 6, 2008 - 4...   Jul 6, 2008 - 11:24 AM
- - NuclearHappineS   So I did some reading ... ** Use one analog in/ou...   Jul 6, 2008 - 2:21 PM
- - xxFROZENxx   nice manny.. what kind of harness kit are you usin...   Jul 9, 2008 - 1:28 AM
- - NuclearHappineS   only harness maker i know of... http://www.booms...   Jul 9, 2008 - 10:33 AM
|- - WALKER   QUOTE (NuclearHappineS @ Jul 9, 2008 - 9...   Jul 10, 2008 - 4:29 PM
- - supershannon77   could u use the mr2 one?   Jul 10, 2008 - 8:46 PM
- - xxFROZENxx   was the hardness kit for a 3sge or is it a univers...   Jul 17, 2008 - 1:41 AM
- - xxFROZENxx   bump   Jul 23, 2008 - 2:08 AM
- - presure2   universal.   Jul 23, 2008 - 2:09 AM


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