im a turbo noob, 5sgte? head work? what to do Options

[b1gr3d]

ok i am planning to turbo my 5sfe, my problem is what to do?!!

1. should i just buy 3sgte manifold with ct26 and all of the needed parts ( i read the posts about it and i'm sure you have too so no need to list ALL of the parts)

2.get head work done to my 5s head for a gasket match and port/ polish then do #1

3. buy a 3sgte head and match it to my 5s block, then do step #1
questions about #3 (DON'T FLAME ME)
CAN it be done w/o going to a machine shop? can it be done w/o replacing and internals from the block?
4. i was wanting to know if a t3 turbo would put out the same numbers as a ct26...simply becuase every other car in the world uses t3 or t4..why can't i?
-if i go with step 4 then of course i will port/polish and gasket match and posibly have the head milled just to have it level

the numbers i want to try to achieve are simple..over 200..psi.-under 15...maybe 12. this will be a daily driver so cost is low and down time is lower. i can do nearly anything, and i am going to wyotech in July, so i have no fear of fabrication...i only fear price and damage to my dear celi....

thanks for the help ahead of time and be gentle. i would also like to gain enough info on this thread to use it as a sticky for other users

If i can i would also like to out do pressure 2 in HP numbers for 5s block(yeah i know i may use 3g head but still)

[b1gr3d]

do #1.
trying to outdo my #s for a 5s block is kinda pointless, there are guys over on mr2oc that are WELL over 500whp on a 5s block, and 400+whp is common.

i recently joind the mr2oc just so i can get their secrets. yeah they are getting some amazing numbers that i why i have opted to try and squeeze out the power from the 5s.
the reason i ask all of these questions is becuase i want the opinions of people that have done it and want to know which option is wiorth the trouble/money.

burneeed- i have did research but i am asking this community which direction i should go for best/easier results

as for the boost numbers....ive seen other peopel going for 20lbs so i figured this was a conservative max being 12lbs. the hp numbers, i know i wont get them immediatly and they wont come fast. but i want parts that will allow me to get their with upgrades through time. for instance.....i dont want to buy a 3sgte intake manifold if i can get an aftermarkt manifold that gives me more power if i go up 2 more psi...stuff like that

budget is small but i am going to compile parts over the next year or so. if its used i dont care. if it needs to be welded i dont care. if it needs refinished i dont care. if it needs fabrication i enjoy it. if it needs electical....i might have someone else do it because i hate wiring

i may be in over my head but you have to learn how to swim somehow

This post has been edited by b1gr3d: Jun 5, 2006 - 11:17 AM

[presure2]

do #1.
trying to outdo my #s for a 5s block is kinda pointless, there are guys over on mr2oc that are WELL over 500whp on a 5s block, and 400+whp is common.

i recently joind the mr2oc just so i can get their secrets. yeah they are getting some amazing numbers that i why i have opted to try and squeeze out the power from the 5s.
the reason i ask all of these questions is becuase i want the opinions of people that have done it and want to know which option is wiorth the trouble/money.

burneeed- i have did research but i am asking this community which direction i should go for best/easier results

as for the boost numbers....ive seen other peopel going for 20lbs so i figured this was a conservative max being 12lbs. the hp numbers, i know i wont get them immediatly and they wont come fast. but i want parts that will allow me to get their with upgrades through time. for instance.....i dont want to buy a 3sgte intake manifold if i can get an aftermarkt manifold that gives me more power if i go up 2 more psi...stuff like that

budget is small but i am going to compile parts over the next year or so. if its used i dont care. if it needs to be welded i dont care. if it needs refinished i dont care. if it needs fabrication i enjoy it. if it needs electical....i might have someone else do it because i hate wiring

i may be in over my head but you have to learn how to swim somehow

the problem is that you wont be "squeezing" power out of the 5s, with a 3s head.
it effectivly becomes a stroker 3sgte, since to run it, you at the minimum need the 3s ecu, and you wont get the most out of it without some form of real EMS.
and, if you have "budget" and 5sgte in the same sentence, you are very misinformed.
building a stroker is NOT cheap.
there is no way around it.
unless you have the 3s head, harness, ecu, capability to do the wiring, engine work, tuning and everything else thats involved in it, yourself. and even then, your STILL not looking at a "budget" project.
just the EMS and tuning involved your looking at 2k+.