Celicas?....slow? Options

[rzanology]

This is something that’s been in the back of my mind every time I take my car our for a spirited drive. I keep remembering people saying "those cars are slow" or "our cars are slow." I'm have a veeery hard time understanding where they are coming from. Back when I had the 7a in my car...I could see that point to a certain extent. But even against other 1.8...the 7a still fairs very well. Now 3 weeks after my 5s swap....I find my car is ridiculously fast. It doesn’t make sense how fast this car is. I've had everything from 2000 maximas...GSRs and even civic with b18 swaps trying to catch up. And this is with a slipping clutch. The car gets to 100 every time with out a problem. When compared to other cars in its class like the eclipse or even the 240....the specs are pretty much even. Not to mention the celica is way lighter than both. My question is....why do people keep saying stock celicas are slow?

If people knew what strong performers these cars were and the type of potential they have...they'd be a lot more popular.

[daazndood]

when i was looking for a car, i was either gonna get either a 6th gen celica or a 98+ integra ls/gs. i got the celica, but its alot slower then an integra. why? the integra is heavier, only has 5 hp more, but the celica has like 18 more ft-lbs or torque. i've researched the 0-60 for the integra ls at about 7.8 and the celica is at like 8.5

[Rayme]

when i was looking for a car, i was either gonna get either a 6th gen celica or a 98+ integra ls/gs. i got the celica, but its alot slower then an integra. why? the integra is heavier, only has 5 hp more, but the celica has like 18 more ft-lbs or torque. i've researched the 0-60 for the integra ls at about 7.8 and the celica is at like 8.5

Integra, make power in the higher RPM, which really help to go faster .

If an engine has more torque(ft. lbs.) than HP, its power is made from low to middle. If it has alot more HP than torque, the power is in higher rpm range, and would kill the other engine even if they have same HP.

[Mr_E]

Integra, make power in the higher RPM, which really help to go faster .

If an engine has more torque(ft. lbs.) than HP, its power is made from low to middle. If it has alot more HP than torque, the power is in higher rpm range, and would kill the other engine even if they have same HP.

You need to know how engines work.

Torque makes the wheels turn. Power is just torque times revs. You are at peak power *once* per gear.

[Rayme]

Integra, make power in the higher RPM, which really help to go faster .

If an engine has more torque(ft. lbs.) than HP, its power is made from low to middle. If it has alot more HP than torque, the power is in higher rpm range, and would kill the other engine even if they have same HP.

You need to know how engines work.

Torque makes the wheels turn. Power is just torque times revs. You are at peak power *once* per gear.

What you said didn't disprove me wrong, it was a general statement that is usually true. I was refering to the torque band obviously, and if you could reader clearer I mention that when its higher in the RPM the more "sporty" or "fast" the engine is. THat being said if both cars are indential and only difference is torque band. A good example is how a relatively torqueless car like a civic SI with a huge 111 ft./lbs. or torque is just going to own a celica with an extraordinaire 145 ft./lbs. of torque.

This post has been edited by Rayme: Jun 18, 2006 - 10:24 AM

[Mr_E]

What you said didn't disprove me wrong, it was a general statement that is usually true. I was refering to the torque band obviously, and if you could reader clearer I mention that when its higher in the RPM the more "sporty" or "fast" the engine is. THat being said if both cars are indential and only difference is torque band. A good example is how a relatively torqueless car like a civic SI with a huge 111 ft./lbs. or torque is just going to own a celica with an extraordinaire 145 ft./lbs. of torque.

You said, and I will quote directly.

If an engine has more torque(ft. lbs.) than HP, its power is made from low to middle. If it has alot more HP than torque, the power is in higher rpm range, and would kill the other engine even if they have same HP.

It's rubbish on about 3 levels.

1) Torque is not power. Torque is instant turning force to the wheels. Power is torque over time.

What you meant to say was "A car that has more torque at a given RPM will pull harder at that RPM". That is correct.

You then say something along the lines of "a car that has a lot more power than torque (ie, it revs higher) will be faster than a lazier or larger engine that revs lower but produces the same headline power."

Which is plain rubbish. Weight for weight, with the same gearing, if the engines do the same amount of peak work (power) they will be as quick at that peak power. What will be different is that the torquier engine will pull the gear better on the way to peak power.

What is usually the case is high revving jap engines run shorter gears to make better use of the revs and headline power figures, and so feel quicker. But two identical engines producing 200bhp, but one at 3000rpm and the other at 10,000rpm pulling the same gear, the high revving lump is going to suffer hugely.