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post Jul 10, 2006 - 12:10 AM
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is that an ATS TB inlet? looks nice. i ordered one last week!


Yup, I ordered that and the GM Knock Sensor Conversion for Doc to install. Along with the healthy dose of goodies that he's putting in the car.......should be really niiiiiiice. biggrin.gif



i woudlnt recomend using the GM knock sensor. it dosnt work correctly for our cars and ats should stop selling it imho. keep the stock sensor.


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post Jul 12, 2006 - 12:01 PM
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shouldn't the GM sensor be just fine considering it was tested at 5700 and the Toyota one was tested at 6300??


what part of narrow band sensor dont you understand? narrow band means that its only tuned to pick up that one specific frequency. this is done so that the sensor will only pick up knock at the correct frequency and ignore any false alarms. if you agree that the sensors are not the same frequency, then you should know why its bad to use one.

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I bought the GM knock sensor conversion so that if I DID encounted knock suddenly and violently, I wouldn't be stuck paying $150 for a new knock sensor.


if you encounter massive knock .... it dosnt mean your sensor will blow. i got severe detonation on the dyno (with a dyno chart to prove it) and my knock sensor did its job and still works great since 1990.

the ats kit costs about 80$ . a new OEM sensor from toyota sells for 124.27$. seeing as how its a vital part of the motor, this is not where i would cut my budget and try to save 40bucks



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Yes, I am using the GM knock sensor because I know that it's harder to blow. Think about this: You're running the car hard without a datalogger. You start to get knock that you can't hear audibally, and it's working as advertised. Then the OEM one blows and before you have a chance to react (you're still in the gas) the knock continues and you pop a piston. I'd rather have the GM knock sensor in there with it's ability to take a bit more abuse than the OEM one.


you clearly dont know how the whole knock system works. if the GM sensor can take more abuse, then it means that there is more abuse happening inside of you motor that the sensor is not picking up. youll blow a piston before you blow the sensor if you use the GM one. if the knock sensor ever blows (they very rarely blow on a stock 3s) the ecu will know it right away and save the motor.


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now lets get down the the real issue here. drtweak talked you into all these upgrades and now is trying to fight tooth and nail so that he dosnt look like he made a bad call on something. thats all this is about. i mean, you have a million people on here trying to tell you how bad that sensor is, and only one person whos trying to play word games to try to justify keeping it. i dont know how you can ignore the advice of people who have daily driven, dynoed, tracked, and raced their swaped cars for years.


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- lagos   GM knock sensor thread   Jul 10, 2006 - 12:10 AM
- - Fastbird   QUOTE(Silver94CelicaOwner @ Jul 10, 2006 ...   Jul 10, 2006 - 9:03 AM
- - jgreening   knock sensors work because they blow when detonati...   Jul 10, 2006 - 10:57 AM
|- - Fastbird   QUOTE(jgreening @ Jul 10, 2006 - 11...   Jul 10, 2006 - 1:08 PM
|- - jgreening   QUOTE(Fastbird @ Jul 10, 2006 - 1:08...   Jul 10, 2006 - 1:45 PM
- - lagos   QUOTE(Fastbird @ Jul 10, 2006 - 2:08...   Jul 10, 2006 - 1:55 PM
|- - jgreening   QUOTE(lagos @ Jul 10, 2006 - 1:55 PM...   Jul 10, 2006 - 4:35 PM
- - Fastbird   Ok guys, I can understand what you're saying n...   Jul 10, 2006 - 1:58 PM
- - lagos   i roxors @ teh wizdomz   Jul 10, 2006 - 4:48 PM
- - Fastbird   Well guys, after digging around on MR2OC for a whi...   Jul 11, 2006 - 8:19 AM
|- - jgreening   QUOTE(Fastbird @ Jul 11, 2006 - 8:19...   Jul 11, 2006 - 1:32 PM
- - lagos   QUOTE(Fastbird @ Jul 11, 2006 - 9:19...   Jul 11, 2006 - 12:50 PM
- - Dr_Tweak   Okay, normally I let things like this slide, but I...   Jul 11, 2006 - 5:28 PM
- - lagos   QUOTEYou're not a professional mechanic and yo...   Jul 11, 2006 - 5:51 PM
|- - WannabeGT4   QUOTE(lagos @ Jul 11, 2006 - 5:51 PM...   Jul 11, 2006 - 6:12 PM
- - brianforster   i promised myself id stay out of this but how does...   Jul 11, 2006 - 7:39 PM
|- - jgreening   QUOTE(brianforster @ Jul 11, 2006 - 7...   Jul 11, 2006 - 9:06 PM
- - Dr_Tweak   QUOTE(lagos @ Jul 11, 2006 - 10:51 P...   Jul 11, 2006 - 8:02 PM
- - brianforster   thanks for clearing it up jay, im going to have to...   Jul 11, 2006 - 9:21 PM
|- - jgreening   QUOTE(brianforster @ Jul 11, 2006 - 9...   Jul 11, 2006 - 9:32 PM
|- - Dr_Tweak   QUOTE(jgreening @ Jul 12, 2006 - 2:3...   Jul 11, 2006 - 10:21 PM
||- - WannabeGT4   QUOTE(Dr_Tweak @ Jul 11, 2006 - 10:2...   Jul 11, 2006 - 10:30 PM
||- - jgreening   Fastbird and Doc: Your logic escapes me here. Pl...   Jul 12, 2006 - 9:58 AM
||- - Dr_Tweak   [quote name='jgreening' date='Jul 12, ...   Jul 12, 2006 - 10:08 AM
||- - jgreening   [quote name='Dr_Tweak' date='Jul 12, 2...   Jul 12, 2006 - 10:16 AM
|- - WannabeGT4   QUOTE(jgreening @ Jul 11, 2006 - 9:3...   Jul 11, 2006 - 10:23 PM
- - presure2   QUOTEPlus I like his hair. that in itself is wort...   Jul 11, 2006 - 9:40 PM
- - lagos   QUOTE(WannabeGT4 @ Jul 11, 2006 - 11...   Jul 11, 2006 - 10:52 PM
- - sinner96ST   Tweaks been an invaluable member to this site, as ...   Jul 11, 2006 - 11:34 PM
- - presure2   tweak... i just went back a read all my post in th...   Jul 12, 2006 - 6:05 AM
- - Fastbird   Guys, I want to clear something up. I did NOT buy...   Jul 12, 2006 - 6:59 AM
- - brianforster   one thing that doesnt make sense to me is you say ...   Jul 12, 2006 - 9:21 AM
- - CelicaSTX02   I say, Fastbird should stick to the GM knock senso...   Jul 12, 2006 - 10:08 AM
|- - Fastbird   QUOTE(CelicaSTX02 @ Jul 12, 2006 - 11...   Jul 12, 2006 - 10:47 AM
|- - Dr_Tweak   QUOTE(Fastbird @ Jul 12, 2006 - 3:47...   Jul 12, 2006 - 11:22 AM
|- - CilverSeliST205   QUOTE(Fastbird @ Jul 12, 2006 - 3:47...   Jul 12, 2006 - 1:03 PM
- - presure2   fastbird & tweek: i think your misunderstandin...   Jul 12, 2006 - 10:20 AM
|- - CelicaSTX02   QUOTE(presure2 @ Jul 12, 2006 - 8:20...   Jul 12, 2006 - 10:32 AM
- - presure2   thats not how the ecu works tho...it detects knoc...   Jul 12, 2006 - 10:53 AM
- - WannabeGT4   QUOTE(jgreening @ Jul 12, 2006 - 10...   Jul 12, 2006 - 11:16 AM
- - presure2   QUOTE'nuff said. -Doc not at all, its clear h...   Jul 12, 2006 - 11:25 AM
- - lagos   QUOTEshouldn't the GM sensor be just fine cons...   Jul 12, 2006 - 12:01 PM
- - Fastbird   First things first, Dr. Tweak did NOT talk me into...   Jul 12, 2006 - 12:32 PM
- - Consynx   don't almost all sensors go into a safe mode w...   Jul 12, 2006 - 12:36 PM
|- - Fastbird   QUOTE(Consynx @ Jul 12, 2006 - 1:36 ...   Jul 12, 2006 - 12:46 PM
- - Fastbird   And another thing . If GM sensors are narrow band...   Jul 12, 2006 - 12:44 PM
|- - jgreening   QUOTE(Fastbird @ Jul 12, 2006 - 12:4...   Jul 12, 2006 - 12:51 PM
|- - Fastbird   QUOTE(jgreening @ Jul 12, 2006 - 1:5...   Jul 12, 2006 - 12:53 PM
- - jgreening   That is one post in the thread. And if I were wil...   Jul 12, 2006 - 12:45 PM
|- - Fastbird   QUOTE(jgreening @ Jul 12, 2006 - 1:4...   Jul 12, 2006 - 12:51 PM
- - presure2   QUOTELook at this. Where does the knock sensor ins...   Jul 12, 2006 - 12:46 PM
|- - Fastbird   QUOTE(presure2 @ Jul 12, 2006 - 1:46...   Jul 12, 2006 - 12:52 PM
|- - Dr_Tweak   QUOTE(Fastbird @ Jul 12, 2006 - 5:52...   Jul 12, 2006 - 12:55 PM
|- - Fastbird   QUOTE(Dr_Tweak @ Jul 12, 2006 - 1:55...   Jul 12, 2006 - 1:09 PM
|- - CilverSeliST205   QUOTE(Fastbird @ Jul 12, 2006 - 1:09...   Jul 12, 2006 - 1:19 PM
- - Dr_Tweak   You know what you guys should do, if you really wa...   Jul 12, 2006 - 12:53 PM
- - Consynx   that was smart of GM to put it in the coolant actu...   Jul 12, 2006 - 12:58 PM
- - Consynx   QUOTE(Fastbird @ Jul 12, 2006 - 10:5...   Jul 12, 2006 - 1:09 PM
- - Fastbird   Consynx, cliff notes was that I used how the cylin...   Jul 12, 2006 - 1:13 PM
- - lagos   QUOTEAnd another thing . If GM sensors are narrow ...   Jul 12, 2006 - 1:18 PM
|- - Fastbird   QUOTE(lagos @ Jul 12, 2006 - 2:18 PM...   Jul 12, 2006 - 1:24 PM
- - lagos   now we get to the real truth ... you just want to ...   Jul 12, 2006 - 1:29 PM
|- - Fastbird   QUOTE(lagos @ Jul 12, 2006 - 2:29 PM...   Jul 12, 2006 - 1:50 PM
- - defgeph   Whats all this fear of a knock sensor ? Who has ev...   Jul 12, 2006 - 1:38 PM
- - scothaniel   Just to add to the heated fun here. I had a stock...   Jul 12, 2006 - 1:42 PM
|- - Fastbird   QUOTE(scothaniel @ Jul 12, 2006 - 2...   Jul 12, 2006 - 1:54 PM
|- - Dr_Tweak   QUOTE(scothaniel @ Jul 12, 2006 - 6...   Jul 12, 2006 - 3:21 PM
|- - jgreening   QUOTE(Dr_Tweak @ Jul 12, 2006 - 3:21...   Jul 12, 2006 - 3:47 PM
- - lagos   QUOTE(scothaniel @ Jul 12, 2006 - 2...   Jul 12, 2006 - 1:50 PM
|- - jgreening   QUOTE(lagos @ Jul 12, 2006 - 1:50 PM...   Jul 12, 2006 - 2:31 PM
- - scothaniel   QUOTEthe important thing to note is that you were ...   Jul 12, 2006 - 2:20 PM
- - scothaniel   Always happy to share my experiences with others -...   Jul 12, 2006 - 4:01 PM
- - Rjb23   I'm running the GM knock sensor and have had z...   Jul 12, 2006 - 4:06 PM
- - phattyduck   Ok, to start of... I AM an engineer (electrical e...   Jul 12, 2006 - 5:45 PM
|- - Dr_Tweak   QUOTE(phattyduck @ Jul 12, 2006 - 10...   Jul 12, 2006 - 7:06 PM
|- - jgreening   QUOTE(phattyduck @ Jul 12, 2006 - 5...   Jul 12, 2006 - 11:15 PM
|- - phattyduck   QUOTE(jgreening @ Jul 12, 2006 - 9:1...   Jul 13, 2006 - 6:33 PM
|- - jgreening   QUOTE(phattyduck @ Jul 13, 2006 - 6...   Jul 13, 2006 - 8:11 PM
- - Consynx   ^ i'm with him ^ EE aint my thing, but eng in ...   Jul 12, 2006 - 6:04 PM
|- - presure2   QUOTE(Consynx @ Jul 12, 2006 - 7:04 ...   Jul 12, 2006 - 6:33 PM
- - lagos   QUOTEWhether the sensor resonates at 5.7k or 6.3k ...   Jul 12, 2006 - 7:19 PM
- - lagos   and finally ....FOR THE WIN.... a copy of the toy...   Jul 12, 2006 - 7:29 PM
|- - phattyduck   QUOTE(lagos @ Jul 12, 2006 - 5:29 PM...   Jul 13, 2006 - 6:42 PM
- - WannabeGT4   Nice find. I had forgotten about those.   Jul 12, 2006 - 7:34 PM
- - brianforster   QUOTE(lagos @ Jul 13, 2006 - 12:29 A...   Jul 12, 2006 - 7:36 PM
- - Batman722   after skimming through this post I have some newbi...   Jul 12, 2006 - 10:51 PM
- - CelicaGT04   QUOTE(Batman722 @ Jul 12, 2006 - 10...   Jul 12, 2006 - 11:41 PM
- - lagos   QUOTEIm glad we have great moderators like lagos a...   Jul 12, 2006 - 11:44 PM
- - scothaniel   QUOTEthe stock (toyota sensor) might tend to blow ...   Jul 13, 2006 - 1:14 AM
- - lagos   QUOTE(phattyduck @ Jul 13, 2006 - 7...   Jul 13, 2006 - 10:43 PM
|- - phattyduck   QUOTE(lagos @ Jul 13, 2006 - 8:43 PM...   Jul 14, 2006 - 6:02 PM
- - presure2   lets keep this thread on topic.   Jul 14, 2006 - 5:52 AM
|- - Fastbird   QUOTE(presure2 @ Jul 14, 2006 - 6:52...   Jul 14, 2006 - 9:03 AM
- - lagos   QUOTEI did read it. Just because that's what t...   Jul 14, 2006 - 6:06 PM
- - phattyduck   QUOTE(lagos @ Jul 14, 2006 - 4:06 PM...   Jul 14, 2006 - 6:09 PM


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