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post Jul 10, 2006 - 12:10 AM
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is that an ATS TB inlet? looks nice. i ordered one last week!


Yup, I ordered that and the GM Knock Sensor Conversion for Doc to install. Along with the healthy dose of goodies that he's putting in the car.......should be really niiiiiiice. biggrin.gif



i woudlnt recomend using the GM knock sensor. it dosnt work correctly for our cars and ats should stop selling it imho. keep the stock sensor.


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post Jul 12, 2006 - 12:44 PM
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And another thing . If GM sensors are narrow band sensors, then why can I loosen my valve lash and create knock that gets picked up by the sensor??? Why can I swap from a stamped steel rocker to a full self aligning roller rocker and get knock?? Why can I have a long tube header merge collector tapping on a crossmember and cauing the knock sensor to do it's thing?? Why do you have to completely disable the knock system when converting to a solid roller valvetrain? You can't possible say that the knock sensor will only pick up on a single frequency based on the bore of the block when so many outside the bore items will set it off.

Look at this. Where does the knock sensor install?? I don't know for sure about the 3S-GTE, but on ALL GM motors the knock sensor installs into a water jacket. WHY?? Because the knock sensor pickup will be always submerged in the coolant which makes an excellent transmitter for various knocks that occur within the motor. Hence, I don't see HOW the knock sensor can only pick up on a single tuned frequency. Support for this again is shown in the above paragraph.

You guys are starting to beat a dead horse with this. You're not going to change my or Doc's opinion on this. It's my motor, I'll do what I want. I took your advice with due regard, and made what I feel is an educated decision based on what I've seen from testing and real world use. Fact of the matter is that I'm sticking with the GM knock sensor because I feel that it's an adequate alternative to the overly priced OEM Toyota knock sensors, and that decision isn't going to be swayed. I know that you guys are watching out for me with what you feel is the best thing, and I sincerely appreciate that.

That said, if my motor ever grenades due to the gm knock sensor not doing it's job, I'll sponsor a meet or something (food, beverage, coordination, ect) and publicly admit I was wrong. biggrin.gif


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Posts in this topic
- lagos   GM knock sensor thread   Jul 10, 2006 - 12:10 AM
- - Fastbird   QUOTE(Silver94CelicaOwner @ Jul 10, 2006 ...   Jul 10, 2006 - 9:03 AM
- - jgreening   knock sensors work because they blow when detonati...   Jul 10, 2006 - 10:57 AM
|- - Fastbird   QUOTE(jgreening @ Jul 10, 2006 - 11...   Jul 10, 2006 - 1:08 PM
|- - jgreening   QUOTE(Fastbird @ Jul 10, 2006 - 1:08...   Jul 10, 2006 - 1:45 PM
- - lagos   QUOTE(Fastbird @ Jul 10, 2006 - 2:08...   Jul 10, 2006 - 1:55 PM
|- - jgreening   QUOTE(lagos @ Jul 10, 2006 - 1:55 PM...   Jul 10, 2006 - 4:35 PM
- - Fastbird   Ok guys, I can understand what you're saying n...   Jul 10, 2006 - 1:58 PM
- - lagos   i roxors @ teh wizdomz   Jul 10, 2006 - 4:48 PM
- - Fastbird   Well guys, after digging around on MR2OC for a whi...   Jul 11, 2006 - 8:19 AM
|- - jgreening   QUOTE(Fastbird @ Jul 11, 2006 - 8:19...   Jul 11, 2006 - 1:32 PM
- - lagos   QUOTE(Fastbird @ Jul 11, 2006 - 9:19...   Jul 11, 2006 - 12:50 PM
- - Dr_Tweak   Okay, normally I let things like this slide, but I...   Jul 11, 2006 - 5:28 PM
- - lagos   QUOTEYou're not a professional mechanic and yo...   Jul 11, 2006 - 5:51 PM
|- - WannabeGT4   QUOTE(lagos @ Jul 11, 2006 - 5:51 PM...   Jul 11, 2006 - 6:12 PM
- - brianforster   i promised myself id stay out of this but how does...   Jul 11, 2006 - 7:39 PM
|- - jgreening   QUOTE(brianforster @ Jul 11, 2006 - 7...   Jul 11, 2006 - 9:06 PM
- - Dr_Tweak   QUOTE(lagos @ Jul 11, 2006 - 10:51 P...   Jul 11, 2006 - 8:02 PM
- - brianforster   thanks for clearing it up jay, im going to have to...   Jul 11, 2006 - 9:21 PM
|- - jgreening   QUOTE(brianforster @ Jul 11, 2006 - 9...   Jul 11, 2006 - 9:32 PM
|- - Dr_Tweak   QUOTE(jgreening @ Jul 12, 2006 - 2:3...   Jul 11, 2006 - 10:21 PM
||- - WannabeGT4   QUOTE(Dr_Tweak @ Jul 11, 2006 - 10:2...   Jul 11, 2006 - 10:30 PM
||- - jgreening   Fastbird and Doc: Your logic escapes me here. Pl...   Jul 12, 2006 - 9:58 AM
||- - Dr_Tweak   [quote name='jgreening' date='Jul 12, ...   Jul 12, 2006 - 10:08 AM
||- - jgreening   [quote name='Dr_Tweak' date='Jul 12, 2...   Jul 12, 2006 - 10:16 AM
|- - WannabeGT4   QUOTE(jgreening @ Jul 11, 2006 - 9:3...   Jul 11, 2006 - 10:23 PM
- - presure2   QUOTEPlus I like his hair. that in itself is wort...   Jul 11, 2006 - 9:40 PM
- - lagos   QUOTE(WannabeGT4 @ Jul 11, 2006 - 11...   Jul 11, 2006 - 10:52 PM
- - sinner96ST   Tweaks been an invaluable member to this site, as ...   Jul 11, 2006 - 11:34 PM
- - presure2   tweak... i just went back a read all my post in th...   Jul 12, 2006 - 6:05 AM
- - Fastbird   Guys, I want to clear something up. I did NOT buy...   Jul 12, 2006 - 6:59 AM
- - brianforster   one thing that doesnt make sense to me is you say ...   Jul 12, 2006 - 9:21 AM
- - CelicaSTX02   I say, Fastbird should stick to the GM knock senso...   Jul 12, 2006 - 10:08 AM
|- - Fastbird   QUOTE(CelicaSTX02 @ Jul 12, 2006 - 11...   Jul 12, 2006 - 10:47 AM
|- - Dr_Tweak   QUOTE(Fastbird @ Jul 12, 2006 - 3:47...   Jul 12, 2006 - 11:22 AM
|- - CilverSeliST205   QUOTE(Fastbird @ Jul 12, 2006 - 3:47...   Jul 12, 2006 - 1:03 PM
- - presure2   fastbird & tweek: i think your misunderstandin...   Jul 12, 2006 - 10:20 AM
|- - CelicaSTX02   QUOTE(presure2 @ Jul 12, 2006 - 8:20...   Jul 12, 2006 - 10:32 AM
- - presure2   thats not how the ecu works tho...it detects knoc...   Jul 12, 2006 - 10:53 AM
- - WannabeGT4   QUOTE(jgreening @ Jul 12, 2006 - 10...   Jul 12, 2006 - 11:16 AM
- - presure2   QUOTE'nuff said. -Doc not at all, its clear h...   Jul 12, 2006 - 11:25 AM
- - lagos   QUOTEshouldn't the GM sensor be just fine cons...   Jul 12, 2006 - 12:01 PM
- - Fastbird   First things first, Dr. Tweak did NOT talk me into...   Jul 12, 2006 - 12:32 PM
- - Consynx   don't almost all sensors go into a safe mode w...   Jul 12, 2006 - 12:36 PM
|- - Fastbird   QUOTE(Consynx @ Jul 12, 2006 - 1:36 ...   Jul 12, 2006 - 12:46 PM
- - Fastbird   And another thing . If GM sensors are narrow band...   Jul 12, 2006 - 12:44 PM
|- - jgreening   QUOTE(Fastbird @ Jul 12, 2006 - 12:4...   Jul 12, 2006 - 12:51 PM
|- - Fastbird   QUOTE(jgreening @ Jul 12, 2006 - 1:5...   Jul 12, 2006 - 12:53 PM
- - jgreening   That is one post in the thread. And if I were wil...   Jul 12, 2006 - 12:45 PM
|- - Fastbird   QUOTE(jgreening @ Jul 12, 2006 - 1:4...   Jul 12, 2006 - 12:51 PM
- - presure2   QUOTELook at this. Where does the knock sensor ins...   Jul 12, 2006 - 12:46 PM
|- - Fastbird   QUOTE(presure2 @ Jul 12, 2006 - 1:46...   Jul 12, 2006 - 12:52 PM
|- - Dr_Tweak   QUOTE(Fastbird @ Jul 12, 2006 - 5:52...   Jul 12, 2006 - 12:55 PM
|- - Fastbird   QUOTE(Dr_Tweak @ Jul 12, 2006 - 1:55...   Jul 12, 2006 - 1:09 PM
|- - CilverSeliST205   QUOTE(Fastbird @ Jul 12, 2006 - 1:09...   Jul 12, 2006 - 1:19 PM
- - Dr_Tweak   You know what you guys should do, if you really wa...   Jul 12, 2006 - 12:53 PM
- - Consynx   that was smart of GM to put it in the coolant actu...   Jul 12, 2006 - 12:58 PM
- - Consynx   QUOTE(Fastbird @ Jul 12, 2006 - 10:5...   Jul 12, 2006 - 1:09 PM
- - Fastbird   Consynx, cliff notes was that I used how the cylin...   Jul 12, 2006 - 1:13 PM
- - lagos   QUOTEAnd another thing . If GM sensors are narrow ...   Jul 12, 2006 - 1:18 PM
|- - Fastbird   QUOTE(lagos @ Jul 12, 2006 - 2:18 PM...   Jul 12, 2006 - 1:24 PM
- - lagos   now we get to the real truth ... you just want to ...   Jul 12, 2006 - 1:29 PM
|- - Fastbird   QUOTE(lagos @ Jul 12, 2006 - 2:29 PM...   Jul 12, 2006 - 1:50 PM
- - defgeph   Whats all this fear of a knock sensor ? Who has ev...   Jul 12, 2006 - 1:38 PM
- - scothaniel   Just to add to the heated fun here. I had a stock...   Jul 12, 2006 - 1:42 PM
|- - Fastbird   QUOTE(scothaniel @ Jul 12, 2006 - 2...   Jul 12, 2006 - 1:54 PM
|- - Dr_Tweak   QUOTE(scothaniel @ Jul 12, 2006 - 6...   Jul 12, 2006 - 3:21 PM
|- - jgreening   QUOTE(Dr_Tweak @ Jul 12, 2006 - 3:21...   Jul 12, 2006 - 3:47 PM
- - lagos   QUOTE(scothaniel @ Jul 12, 2006 - 2...   Jul 12, 2006 - 1:50 PM
|- - jgreening   QUOTE(lagos @ Jul 12, 2006 - 1:50 PM...   Jul 12, 2006 - 2:31 PM
- - scothaniel   QUOTEthe important thing to note is that you were ...   Jul 12, 2006 - 2:20 PM
- - scothaniel   Always happy to share my experiences with others -...   Jul 12, 2006 - 4:01 PM
- - Rjb23   I'm running the GM knock sensor and have had z...   Jul 12, 2006 - 4:06 PM
- - phattyduck   Ok, to start of... I AM an engineer (electrical e...   Jul 12, 2006 - 5:45 PM
|- - Dr_Tweak   QUOTE(phattyduck @ Jul 12, 2006 - 10...   Jul 12, 2006 - 7:06 PM
|- - jgreening   QUOTE(phattyduck @ Jul 12, 2006 - 5...   Jul 12, 2006 - 11:15 PM
|- - phattyduck   QUOTE(jgreening @ Jul 12, 2006 - 9:1...   Jul 13, 2006 - 6:33 PM
|- - jgreening   QUOTE(phattyduck @ Jul 13, 2006 - 6...   Jul 13, 2006 - 8:11 PM
- - Consynx   ^ i'm with him ^ EE aint my thing, but eng in ...   Jul 12, 2006 - 6:04 PM
|- - presure2   QUOTE(Consynx @ Jul 12, 2006 - 7:04 ...   Jul 12, 2006 - 6:33 PM
- - lagos   QUOTEWhether the sensor resonates at 5.7k or 6.3k ...   Jul 12, 2006 - 7:19 PM
- - lagos   and finally ....FOR THE WIN.... a copy of the toy...   Jul 12, 2006 - 7:29 PM
|- - phattyduck   QUOTE(lagos @ Jul 12, 2006 - 5:29 PM...   Jul 13, 2006 - 6:42 PM
- - WannabeGT4   Nice find. I had forgotten about those.   Jul 12, 2006 - 7:34 PM
- - brianforster   QUOTE(lagos @ Jul 13, 2006 - 12:29 A...   Jul 12, 2006 - 7:36 PM
- - Batman722   after skimming through this post I have some newbi...   Jul 12, 2006 - 10:51 PM
- - CelicaGT04   QUOTE(Batman722 @ Jul 12, 2006 - 10...   Jul 12, 2006 - 11:41 PM
- - lagos   QUOTEIm glad we have great moderators like lagos a...   Jul 12, 2006 - 11:44 PM
- - scothaniel   QUOTEthe stock (toyota sensor) might tend to blow ...   Jul 13, 2006 - 1:14 AM
- - lagos   QUOTE(phattyduck @ Jul 13, 2006 - 7...   Jul 13, 2006 - 10:43 PM
|- - phattyduck   QUOTE(lagos @ Jul 13, 2006 - 8:43 PM...   Jul 14, 2006 - 6:02 PM
- - presure2   lets keep this thread on topic.   Jul 14, 2006 - 5:52 AM
|- - Fastbird   QUOTE(presure2 @ Jul 14, 2006 - 6:52...   Jul 14, 2006 - 9:03 AM
- - lagos   QUOTEI did read it. Just because that's what t...   Jul 14, 2006 - 6:06 PM
- - phattyduck   QUOTE(lagos @ Jul 14, 2006 - 4:06 PM...   Jul 14, 2006 - 6:09 PM


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