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post Jul 10, 2006 - 12:10 AM
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QUOTE(Fastbird @ Jul 9, 2006 - 7:36 PM) [snapback]453830[/snapback]

QUOTE(gtfc115 @ Jul 9, 2006 - 2:22 PM) [snapback]453714[/snapback]

is that an ATS TB inlet? looks nice. i ordered one last week!


Yup, I ordered that and the GM Knock Sensor Conversion for Doc to install. Along with the healthy dose of goodies that he's putting in the car.......should be really niiiiiiice. biggrin.gif



i woudlnt recomend using the GM knock sensor. it dosnt work correctly for our cars and ats should stop selling it imho. keep the stock sensor.


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post Jul 12, 2006 - 12:44 PM
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And another thing . If GM sensors are narrow band sensors, then why can I loosen my valve lash and create knock that gets picked up by the sensor??? Why can I swap from a stamped steel rocker to a full self aligning roller rocker and get knock?? Why can I have a long tube header merge collector tapping on a crossmember and cauing the knock sensor to do it's thing?? Why do you have to completely disable the knock system when converting to a solid roller valvetrain? You can't possible say that the knock sensor will only pick up on a single frequency based on the bore of the block when so many outside the bore items will set it off.

Look at this. Where does the knock sensor install?? I don't know for sure about the 3S-GTE, but on ALL GM motors the knock sensor installs into a water jacket. WHY?? Because the knock sensor pickup will be always submerged in the coolant which makes an excellent transmitter for various knocks that occur within the motor. Hence, I don't see HOW the knock sensor can only pick up on a single tuned frequency. Support for this again is shown in the above paragraph.

You guys are starting to beat a dead horse with this. You're not going to change my or Doc's opinion on this. It's my motor, I'll do what I want. I took your advice with due regard, and made what I feel is an educated decision based on what I've seen from testing and real world use. Fact of the matter is that I'm sticking with the GM knock sensor because I feel that it's an adequate alternative to the overly priced OEM Toyota knock sensors, and that decision isn't going to be swayed. I know that you guys are watching out for me with what you feel is the best thing, and I sincerely appreciate that.

That said, if my motor ever grenades due to the gm knock sensor not doing it's job, I'll sponsor a meet or something (food, beverage, coordination, ect) and publicly admit I was wrong. biggrin.gif


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post Jul 12, 2006 - 12:51 PM
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QUOTE(Fastbird @ Jul 12, 2006 - 12:44 PM) [snapback]455107[/snapback]

You guys are starting to beat a dead horse with this. You're not going to change my or Doc's opinion on this. It's my motor, I'll do what I want. I took your advice with due regard, and made what I feel is an educated decision based on what I've seen from testing and real world use. Fact of the matter is that I'm sticking with the GM knock sensor because I feel that it's an adequate alternative to the overly priced OEM Toyota knock sensors, and that decision isn't going to be swayed. I know that you guys are watching out for me with what you feel is the best thing, and I sincerely appreciate that.


Please understand that some of our persistence is to make sure that misinformation is not perpetuated. I am now confident that someone finding this thread in the future can make an educated decision based on the information contained here.


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QUOTE(lagos @ Jul 10, 2006 - 1:55 PM) [snapback]454118[/snapback]

i know your trying to do the right thing for your motor, but this is one of those times where you should just trust the guys who have had their swaps for a while and have done a ton of research into this.
post Jul 12, 2006 - 12:53 PM
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QUOTE(jgreening @ Jul 12, 2006 - 1:51 PM) [snapback]455113[/snapback]


Please understand that some of our persistence is to make sure that misinformation is not perpetuated. I am now confident that someone finding this thread in the future can make an educated decision based on the information contained here.


That's what these forums are for, right?? I'll pony up and be the classic example once in a while. tongue.gif


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- lagos   GM knock sensor thread   Jul 10, 2006 - 12:10 AM
- - Fastbird   QUOTE(Silver94CelicaOwner @ Jul 10, 2006 ...   Jul 10, 2006 - 9:03 AM
- - jgreening   knock sensors work because they blow when detonati...   Jul 10, 2006 - 10:57 AM
|- - Fastbird   QUOTE(jgreening @ Jul 10, 2006 - 11...   Jul 10, 2006 - 1:08 PM
|- - jgreening   QUOTE(Fastbird @ Jul 10, 2006 - 1:08...   Jul 10, 2006 - 1:45 PM
- - lagos   QUOTE(Fastbird @ Jul 10, 2006 - 2:08...   Jul 10, 2006 - 1:55 PM
|- - jgreening   QUOTE(lagos @ Jul 10, 2006 - 1:55 PM...   Jul 10, 2006 - 4:35 PM
- - Fastbird   Ok guys, I can understand what you're saying n...   Jul 10, 2006 - 1:58 PM
- - lagos   i roxors @ teh wizdomz   Jul 10, 2006 - 4:48 PM
- - Fastbird   Well guys, after digging around on MR2OC for a whi...   Jul 11, 2006 - 8:19 AM
|- - jgreening   QUOTE(Fastbird @ Jul 11, 2006 - 8:19...   Jul 11, 2006 - 1:32 PM
- - lagos   QUOTE(Fastbird @ Jul 11, 2006 - 9:19...   Jul 11, 2006 - 12:50 PM
- - Dr_Tweak   Okay, normally I let things like this slide, but I...   Jul 11, 2006 - 5:28 PM
- - lagos   QUOTEYou're not a professional mechanic and yo...   Jul 11, 2006 - 5:51 PM
|- - WannabeGT4   QUOTE(lagos @ Jul 11, 2006 - 5:51 PM...   Jul 11, 2006 - 6:12 PM
- - brianforster   i promised myself id stay out of this but how does...   Jul 11, 2006 - 7:39 PM
|- - jgreening   QUOTE(brianforster @ Jul 11, 2006 - 7...   Jul 11, 2006 - 9:06 PM
- - Dr_Tweak   QUOTE(lagos @ Jul 11, 2006 - 10:51 P...   Jul 11, 2006 - 8:02 PM
- - brianforster   thanks for clearing it up jay, im going to have to...   Jul 11, 2006 - 9:21 PM
|- - jgreening   QUOTE(brianforster @ Jul 11, 2006 - 9...   Jul 11, 2006 - 9:32 PM
|- - Dr_Tweak   QUOTE(jgreening @ Jul 12, 2006 - 2:3...   Jul 11, 2006 - 10:21 PM
||- - WannabeGT4   QUOTE(Dr_Tweak @ Jul 11, 2006 - 10:2...   Jul 11, 2006 - 10:30 PM
||- - jgreening   Fastbird and Doc: Your logic escapes me here. Pl...   Jul 12, 2006 - 9:58 AM
||- - Dr_Tweak   [quote name='jgreening' date='Jul 12, ...   Jul 12, 2006 - 10:08 AM
||- - jgreening   [quote name='Dr_Tweak' date='Jul 12, 2...   Jul 12, 2006 - 10:16 AM
|- - WannabeGT4   QUOTE(jgreening @ Jul 11, 2006 - 9:3...   Jul 11, 2006 - 10:23 PM
- - presure2   QUOTEPlus I like his hair. that in itself is wort...   Jul 11, 2006 - 9:40 PM
- - lagos   QUOTE(WannabeGT4 @ Jul 11, 2006 - 11...   Jul 11, 2006 - 10:52 PM
- - sinner96ST   Tweaks been an invaluable member to this site, as ...   Jul 11, 2006 - 11:34 PM
- - presure2   tweak... i just went back a read all my post in th...   Jul 12, 2006 - 6:05 AM
- - Fastbird   Guys, I want to clear something up. I did NOT buy...   Jul 12, 2006 - 6:59 AM
- - brianforster   one thing that doesnt make sense to me is you say ...   Jul 12, 2006 - 9:21 AM
- - CelicaSTX02   I say, Fastbird should stick to the GM knock senso...   Jul 12, 2006 - 10:08 AM
|- - Fastbird   QUOTE(CelicaSTX02 @ Jul 12, 2006 - 11...   Jul 12, 2006 - 10:47 AM
|- - Dr_Tweak   QUOTE(Fastbird @ Jul 12, 2006 - 3:47...   Jul 12, 2006 - 11:22 AM
|- - CilverSeliST205   QUOTE(Fastbird @ Jul 12, 2006 - 3:47...   Jul 12, 2006 - 1:03 PM
- - presure2   fastbird & tweek: i think your misunderstandin...   Jul 12, 2006 - 10:20 AM
|- - CelicaSTX02   QUOTE(presure2 @ Jul 12, 2006 - 8:20...   Jul 12, 2006 - 10:32 AM
- - presure2   thats not how the ecu works tho...it detects knoc...   Jul 12, 2006 - 10:53 AM
- - WannabeGT4   QUOTE(jgreening @ Jul 12, 2006 - 10...   Jul 12, 2006 - 11:16 AM
- - presure2   QUOTE'nuff said. -Doc not at all, its clear h...   Jul 12, 2006 - 11:25 AM
- - lagos   QUOTEshouldn't the GM sensor be just fine cons...   Jul 12, 2006 - 12:01 PM
- - Fastbird   First things first, Dr. Tweak did NOT talk me into...   Jul 12, 2006 - 12:32 PM
- - Consynx   don't almost all sensors go into a safe mode w...   Jul 12, 2006 - 12:36 PM
|- - Fastbird   QUOTE(Consynx @ Jul 12, 2006 - 1:36 ...   Jul 12, 2006 - 12:46 PM
- - Fastbird   And another thing . If GM sensors are narrow band...   Jul 12, 2006 - 12:44 PM
|- - jgreening   QUOTE(Fastbird @ Jul 12, 2006 - 12:4...   Jul 12, 2006 - 12:51 PM
|- - Fastbird   QUOTE(jgreening @ Jul 12, 2006 - 1:5...   Jul 12, 2006 - 12:53 PM
- - jgreening   That is one post in the thread. And if I were wil...   Jul 12, 2006 - 12:45 PM
|- - Fastbird   QUOTE(jgreening @ Jul 12, 2006 - 1:4...   Jul 12, 2006 - 12:51 PM
- - presure2   QUOTELook at this. Where does the knock sensor ins...   Jul 12, 2006 - 12:46 PM
|- - Fastbird   QUOTE(presure2 @ Jul 12, 2006 - 1:46...   Jul 12, 2006 - 12:52 PM
|- - Dr_Tweak   QUOTE(Fastbird @ Jul 12, 2006 - 5:52...   Jul 12, 2006 - 12:55 PM
|- - Fastbird   QUOTE(Dr_Tweak @ Jul 12, 2006 - 1:55...   Jul 12, 2006 - 1:09 PM
|- - CilverSeliST205   QUOTE(Fastbird @ Jul 12, 2006 - 1:09...   Jul 12, 2006 - 1:19 PM
- - Dr_Tweak   You know what you guys should do, if you really wa...   Jul 12, 2006 - 12:53 PM
- - Consynx   that was smart of GM to put it in the coolant actu...   Jul 12, 2006 - 12:58 PM
- - Consynx   QUOTE(Fastbird @ Jul 12, 2006 - 10:5...   Jul 12, 2006 - 1:09 PM
- - Fastbird   Consynx, cliff notes was that I used how the cylin...   Jul 12, 2006 - 1:13 PM
- - lagos   QUOTEAnd another thing . If GM sensors are narrow ...   Jul 12, 2006 - 1:18 PM
|- - Fastbird   QUOTE(lagos @ Jul 12, 2006 - 2:18 PM...   Jul 12, 2006 - 1:24 PM
- - lagos   now we get to the real truth ... you just want to ...   Jul 12, 2006 - 1:29 PM
|- - Fastbird   QUOTE(lagos @ Jul 12, 2006 - 2:29 PM...   Jul 12, 2006 - 1:50 PM
- - defgeph   Whats all this fear of a knock sensor ? Who has ev...   Jul 12, 2006 - 1:38 PM
- - scothaniel   Just to add to the heated fun here. I had a stock...   Jul 12, 2006 - 1:42 PM
|- - Fastbird   QUOTE(scothaniel @ Jul 12, 2006 - 2...   Jul 12, 2006 - 1:54 PM
|- - Dr_Tweak   QUOTE(scothaniel @ Jul 12, 2006 - 6...   Jul 12, 2006 - 3:21 PM
|- - jgreening   QUOTE(Dr_Tweak @ Jul 12, 2006 - 3:21...   Jul 12, 2006 - 3:47 PM
- - lagos   QUOTE(scothaniel @ Jul 12, 2006 - 2...   Jul 12, 2006 - 1:50 PM
|- - jgreening   QUOTE(lagos @ Jul 12, 2006 - 1:50 PM...   Jul 12, 2006 - 2:31 PM
- - scothaniel   QUOTEthe important thing to note is that you were ...   Jul 12, 2006 - 2:20 PM
- - scothaniel   Always happy to share my experiences with others -...   Jul 12, 2006 - 4:01 PM
- - Rjb23   I'm running the GM knock sensor and have had z...   Jul 12, 2006 - 4:06 PM
- - phattyduck   Ok, to start of... I AM an engineer (electrical e...   Jul 12, 2006 - 5:45 PM
|- - Dr_Tweak   QUOTE(phattyduck @ Jul 12, 2006 - 10...   Jul 12, 2006 - 7:06 PM
|- - jgreening   QUOTE(phattyduck @ Jul 12, 2006 - 5...   Jul 12, 2006 - 11:15 PM
|- - phattyduck   QUOTE(jgreening @ Jul 12, 2006 - 9:1...   Jul 13, 2006 - 6:33 PM
|- - jgreening   QUOTE(phattyduck @ Jul 13, 2006 - 6...   Jul 13, 2006 - 8:11 PM
- - Consynx   ^ i'm with him ^ EE aint my thing, but eng in ...   Jul 12, 2006 - 6:04 PM
|- - presure2   QUOTE(Consynx @ Jul 12, 2006 - 7:04 ...   Jul 12, 2006 - 6:33 PM
- - lagos   QUOTEWhether the sensor resonates at 5.7k or 6.3k ...   Jul 12, 2006 - 7:19 PM
- - lagos   and finally ....FOR THE WIN.... a copy of the toy...   Jul 12, 2006 - 7:29 PM
|- - phattyduck   QUOTE(lagos @ Jul 12, 2006 - 5:29 PM...   Jul 13, 2006 - 6:42 PM
- - WannabeGT4   Nice find. I had forgotten about those.   Jul 12, 2006 - 7:34 PM
- - brianforster   QUOTE(lagos @ Jul 13, 2006 - 12:29 A...   Jul 12, 2006 - 7:36 PM
- - Batman722   after skimming through this post I have some newbi...   Jul 12, 2006 - 10:51 PM
- - CelicaGT04   QUOTE(Batman722 @ Jul 12, 2006 - 10...   Jul 12, 2006 - 11:41 PM
- - lagos   QUOTEIm glad we have great moderators like lagos a...   Jul 12, 2006 - 11:44 PM
- - scothaniel   QUOTEthe stock (toyota sensor) might tend to blow ...   Jul 13, 2006 - 1:14 AM
- - lagos   QUOTE(phattyduck @ Jul 13, 2006 - 7...   Jul 13, 2006 - 10:43 PM
|- - phattyduck   QUOTE(lagos @ Jul 13, 2006 - 8:43 PM...   Jul 14, 2006 - 6:02 PM
- - presure2   lets keep this thread on topic.   Jul 14, 2006 - 5:52 AM
|- - Fastbird   QUOTE(presure2 @ Jul 14, 2006 - 6:52...   Jul 14, 2006 - 9:03 AM
- - lagos   QUOTEI did read it. Just because that's what t...   Jul 14, 2006 - 6:06 PM
- - phattyduck   QUOTE(lagos @ Jul 14, 2006 - 4:06 PM...   Jul 14, 2006 - 6:09 PM


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