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post Jul 17, 2006 - 10:22 PM
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ok... so my AC hasnt worked since the swap and i figure now is a good time to wire that crap up. so i have my harness apart and im trying to look at the wiring diagrams to figure out a few things. seems like i need some help.

"ac amplifier" in the diagrams means the main AC compressor, correct?

on it, is a plug called A8 (looking at the 5sfe diagrams). the harness goes from there to a plug called IM1 and then 3 wires go to the ECU's 1st plug. where is IM1 located ? is it the white, 5 wire plug that goes from the 3s hanress, and plugs in right behind the glove box?

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post Jul 22, 2006 - 1:46 AM
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ah ha! nice find.

i was looking at the AC specific diagrams and wondering why it wasnt there.

so it seams like there is a problem with adding AC idle up. on the 3sgte the idle up control is done by the AC amp.

in the 6th gen the AC amp dosnt have this function, because it is handled by the ECU.

so it seems there is no way to do it the way it is from the factory.

since the Idle up, only gets triggered when the AC clutch engages, i was thinking that maybe i can get it to work by splicing into the blac/white wire that supplies power to engage the cltuch on the AC compressor. this way, every time the clutch would come on (and make the rpm's dip down) the AC idle up would get 12v, and open its vac ports and make the car idle up. what do you guys think?


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post Jul 22, 2006 - 6:07 AM
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QUOTE(lagos @ Jul 22, 2006 - 6:46 AM) [snapback]459388[/snapback]

ah ha! nice find.

i was looking at the AC specific diagrams and wondering why it wasnt there.

so it seams like there is a problem with adding AC idle up. on the 3sgte the idle up control is done by the AC amp.

in the 6th gen the AC amp dosnt have this function, because it is handled by the ECU.

so it seems there is no way to do it the way it is from the factory.

since the Idle up, only gets triggered when the AC clutch engages, i was thinking that maybe i can get it to work by splicing into the blac/white wire that supplies power to engage the cltuch on the AC compressor. this way, every time the clutch would come on (and make the rpm's dip down) the AC idle up would get 12v, and open its vac ports and make the car idle up. what do you guys think?


Yes, that's exactly right. The best thing to do is actually have the clutch wire go through a relay, and have the relay switch on a VSV. The only downside to this is that it will be on all the time, even when you're not at idle. It will work though, just make sure that one side of the VSV goes to the manifold and the other side goes to the intake behind the AFM.

Good job putting it together and congrats!

-Doc

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Posts in this topic
- lagos   How to make AC work with your swap   Jul 17, 2006 - 10:22 PM
- - lagos   i finally found my wiring book. IM1 seems to be th...   Jul 18, 2006 - 3:00 AM
- - MaskedMan   I think the plug is called A4 (A/C magnetic clutch...   Jul 18, 2006 - 3:11 AM
- - lagos   yeah, your right. on a 6th gen they call it A2 an...   Jul 18, 2006 - 3:33 AM
- - lagos   ok ... i think i figured most of it out... on t...   Jul 18, 2006 - 4:02 AM
- - MaskedMan   well the Black-White wire from A4 goes to a splice...   Jul 18, 2006 - 4:33 AM
- - lagos   awesome! airconditioned car, here i come...   Jul 18, 2006 - 10:41 AM
- - MaskedMan   oh sorry i forgot to put where the 4th pin of the ...   Jul 18, 2006 - 12:07 PM
- - lagos   awesome, you rock   Jul 18, 2006 - 12:31 PM
- - lagos   chrisD from ctech was able to hook me up with the ...   Jul 18, 2006 - 1:33 PM
- - MaskedMan   oo nice, I was just going off my own alltrac, and ...   Jul 18, 2006 - 1:52 PM
- - lagos   alright.... one more quick question. seems the AC...   Jul 18, 2006 - 9:05 PM
- - MaskedMan   hmm... ok 2 wires should be to activate the magnet...   Jul 18, 2006 - 9:17 PM
- - lagos   cool ... if you find out all the functions of the ...   Jul 18, 2006 - 10:12 PM
- - MaskedMan   OOO nice, your 98 compressor should be better anyw...   Jul 18, 2006 - 10:22 PM
- - lagos   QUOTEif you use your stock compressor, cant you ju...   Jul 18, 2006 - 10:37 PM
- - lagos   ok.. i figured out the functions of the 3 wires th...   Jul 19, 2006 - 12:47 AM
|- - WannabeGT4   QUOTE(lagos @ Jul 19, 2006 - 12:47 A...   Jul 19, 2006 - 10:25 AM
- - MaskedMan   haha nice, i was just about to give you the same i...   Jul 19, 2006 - 9:34 AM
- - phattyduck   I'm also curious as to why there was any rewir...   Jul 19, 2006 - 12:40 PM
- - lagos   QUOTE(phattyduck @ Jul 19, 2006 - 1...   Jul 19, 2006 - 1:00 PM
|- - phattyduck   QUOTE(lagos @ Jul 19, 2006 - 11:00 A...   Jul 19, 2006 - 4:01 PM
- - lagos   so i put everything back togther today to test out...   Jul 19, 2006 - 9:37 PM
- - lagos   "Pressure Switch The pressure switch is threa...   Jul 20, 2006 - 1:15 AM
- - MaskedMan   maybe. this is becuase the oil, is mixed in with ...   Jul 21, 2006 - 4:22 AM
- - lagos   yeah... i think this is whats going on. i traced...   Jul 21, 2006 - 9:16 AM
- - Dr_Tweak   You could do it for a couple seconds okay, just do...   Jul 21, 2006 - 9:57 AM
- - lagos   QUOTE(Dr_Tweak @ Jul 21, 2006 - 10:5...   Jul 21, 2006 - 10:07 AM
- - lagos   plug IM1 (female) 6th gen plug that goes behind th...   Jul 21, 2006 - 10:19 AM
|- - Aaagogo   so this will be the working wiring configuration ...   Jul 21, 2006 - 9:06 PM
- - Dr_Tweak   Just off the top of my head, it does look like you...   Jul 21, 2006 - 10:30 AM
- - lagos   QUOTE(Dr_Tweak @ Jul 21, 2006 - 11:3...   Jul 21, 2006 - 10:35 AM
- - Dr_Tweak   You don't actually *have* to have it vacuumed....   Jul 21, 2006 - 12:26 PM
|- - WannabeGT4   QUOTE(Dr_Tweak @ Jul 21, 2006 - 12:2...   Jul 21, 2006 - 2:50 PM
- - lagos   IT WORKS! i got another bottle of R134 beca...   Jul 21, 2006 - 4:30 PM
- - Fastbird   Lagos, with everything working, does your car idle...   Jul 21, 2006 - 4:54 PM
- - lagos   QUOTE(Fastbird @ Jul 21, 2006 - 5:54...   Jul 21, 2006 - 5:09 PM
- - lagos   i did a little ghetto bleeding . fill the low sid...   Jul 21, 2006 - 9:01 PM
|- - MaskedMan   QUOTE(lagos @ Jul 21, 2006 - 7:01 PM...   Jul 21, 2006 - 9:57 PM
- - lagos   yep thats how you wire it up. you just need to lo...   Jul 21, 2006 - 9:10 PM
- - lagos   whats the deal with the AC idle up valve? i see i...   Jul 22, 2006 - 12:46 AM
- - WannabeGT4   http://www.celicatech.com/vfewdsou/1995/95...ic/en...   Jul 22, 2006 - 1:15 AM
- - lagos   ah ha! nice find. i was looking at the AC s...   Jul 22, 2006 - 1:46 AM
|- - Dr_Tweak   QUOTE(lagos @ Jul 22, 2006 - 6:46 AM...   Jul 22, 2006 - 6:07 AM
- - WannabeGT4   Couldn't you use the IDL signal from the TPS t...   Jul 22, 2006 - 7:59 AM
- - presure2   Art, great to see you tackle this project and wor...   Jul 22, 2006 - 8:07 AM
- - lagos   QUOTE(Dr_Tweak @ Jul 22, 2006 - 7:07...   Jul 22, 2006 - 9:09 AM
- - WannabeGT4   Like I said use the IDL signal from the TPS to tri...   Jul 22, 2006 - 9:26 AM
|- - Dr_Tweak   QUOTE(WannabeGT4 @ Jul 22, 2006 - 2...   Jul 23, 2006 - 8:07 PM
- - lagos   yeah, your right, that would probably be the best ...   Jul 22, 2006 - 9:56 AM
- - lagos   i thought of another simple way of doing this. th...   Jul 22, 2006 - 5:29 PM
- - WannabeGT4   The whole purpose of the idle up VSV is to stabili...   Jul 22, 2006 - 10:26 PM
- - lagos   QUOTE(WannabeGT4 @ Jul 22, 2006 - 11...   Jul 22, 2006 - 11:11 PM
- - lagos   so here is an update.... i added in the AC idle ...   Jul 29, 2006 - 8:33 PM
|- - phattyduck   QUOTE(lagos @ Jul 29, 2006 - 6:33 PM...   Jul 30, 2006 - 2:57 PM
- - lagos   QUOTE(phattyduck @ Jul 30, 2006 - 3...   Jul 30, 2006 - 3:12 PM
- - malecrod   Sorry to bring this back from the dead. I have a w...   Mar 4, 2008 - 12:02 PM
- - lagos   QUOTE(malecrod @ Mar 4, 2008 - 12:02...   Mar 4, 2008 - 12:13 PM
- - malecrod   QUOTE(lagos @ Mar 4, 2008 - 12:13 PM...   Mar 4, 2008 - 7:31 PM


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