the 4th gen 3s....(aka st215), people dont seem to like it much? Options

[easternpiro1]

ive been researching about the 215 swap that the good DR will be putting in for me and ive gotten alot of good advice, what i dont understand fully is how can the st215 be so different from the 185 and the 205? i was told looking for replacement parts would be a NIGHTMARE if at all possible, but the engine is mostly identical to an st185 and 205. im confused, someone please clear this up for me and provide more insight!

This post has been edited by easternpiro1: Aug 24, 2006 - 6:20 PM

[burneeed]

I dont know what your really asking here? To best answer your question though...... The biggest differnce I can se from a st205 to a st215 is the intercooler. Its no longer water to air... .air to air intercooler is not good.

If your willing to spend the money for the third gen clip over the 2nd gen clip go for it.

Differences wise between the two are pretty simple.... Turbo,intercooler,Map,Injectors,head gasket. Its basicly a motor you can boost pretty high and make it pretty fast from the get go. I meen you do not have to put too much money in after market wise to make it go fast. but the difference wise from a st185 is water to air intercooler ct20b turbo map system 550cc injectors and it has a MLS Head gasket.

Now a st185 clip is pretty cheep now. I have seen the whole clips go for a little under 2k which is damn good compared to what I paid for mine when I swapped out my 6gc. you can go this route if you want to get a decent 3sgte and make it faster in the future and its significantly cheeper than a 3rd gen. But you are not getting the water to air intercooler. Im not sure how much doc is charging for a front mount? And you are left with a ct26..... thats your biggest drawbacks oif the st185 clip.

Honestly I wouldnt go for the 215 clip. Having problems or having to source parts for that engine are going to be very very very hard. Its going to be a parts nightmare inmho.

[easternpiro1]

I dont know what your really asking here? To best answer your question though...... The biggest differnce I can se from a st205 to a st215 is the intercooler. Its no longer water to air... .air to air intercooler is not good.

If your willing to spend the money for the third gen clip over the 2nd gen clip go for it.

Differences wise between the two are pretty simple.... Turbo,intercooler,Map,Injectors,head gasket. Its basicly a motor you can boost pretty high and make it pretty fast from the get go. I meen you do not have to put too much money in after market wise to make it go fast. but the difference wise from a st185 is water to air intercooler ct20b turbo map system 550cc injectors and it has a MLS Head gasket.

Now a st185 clip is pretty cheep now. I have seen the whole clips go for a little under 2k which is damn good compared to what I paid for mine when I swapped out my 6gc. you can go this route if you want to get a decent 3sgte and make it faster in the future and its significantly cheeper than a 3rd gen. But you are not getting the water to air intercooler. Im not sure how much doc is charging for a front mount? And you are left with a ct26..... thats your biggest drawbacks oif the st185 clip.

Honestly I wouldnt go for the 215 clip. Having problems or having to source parts for that engine are going to be very very very hard. Its going to be a parts nightmare inmho.

im basically asking for additional opinions of the 215. doc is going to be putting a fmic on there (im still looking for a decent one) and he also said the st215 is interchangeable with the other gen 3sgte, essentially saying finding parts wont be bad

[hitcachi]

im basically asking for additional opinions of the 215. doc is going to be putting a fmic on there (im still looking for a decent one) and he also said the st215 is interchangeable with the other gen 3sgte, essentially saying finding parts wont be bad

Why pay the ridiculous price for a caldina 3S when a 2nd gen 185 and 3rd 205 can do the same thing. And you would have money left over to spend on upgrading performance. The 4th gen has what.....10, 15, 20 whopping more horsepower stock then a 3rd gen! big friggin deal! You could get a 2nd gen, follow the 3S power primer and get more HP then a 4th gen with less money spent in the end. And you cant really argue newer motor casue you can find 3rd gens with like.... 40K on em. Thats just being broken in! But, what ever u wana do.

[easternpiro1]

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Why pay the ridiculous price for a caldina 3S when a 2nd gen 185 and 3rd 205 can do the same thing. And you would have money left over to spend on upgrading performance. The 4th gen has what.....10, 15, 20 whopping more horsepower stock then a 3rd gen! big friggin deal! You could get a 2nd gen, follow the 3S power primer and get more HP then a 4th gen with less money spent in the end. And you cant really argue newer motor casue you can find 3rd gens with like.... 40K on em. Thats just being broken in! But, what ever u wana do.
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OH!!! MY BAD! i forgot to mention that doc is getting the st215 for a steal! its a 1999, and its only $300 more that what a st185 set would cost me thats one reason why people dont like it and i understand that...