the 4th gen 3s....(aka st215), people dont seem to like it much? Options

[easternpiro1]

ive been researching about the 215 swap that the good DR will be putting in for me and ive gotten alot of good advice, what i dont understand fully is how can the st215 be so different from the 185 and the 205? i was told looking for replacement parts would be a NIGHTMARE if at all possible, but the engine is mostly identical to an st185 and 205. im confused, someone please clear this up for me and provide more insight!

This post has been edited by easternpiro1: Aug 24, 2006 - 6:20 PM

[easternpiro1]

man look how many people viewing this thread, its a hot thread.

i hope you do it, you have the advantage of paying doc to do it (i guess we all have the choice, im sayin its just nice to know that you are going to have someone who knows his **** working with ya)

maybe in the 4th generation they fixed the 3sgtes pickiness about ignition components, that would be sweet..

just do it dude, its gonnna be SWEET.

edit: i would talk to doc about doing standalone, since you have to pay him to do the wiring anyway it might be easier and only slightly more expensive to go standalone and youd be able to have doc in-house dyno and tune it

[color=#3366FF]i dont think i can afford to do standalone at this point, wish i could, i can hopefully afford it later, but im happy with 260-290whp thanks for the encouragement brian!

We went with the ST215 for a few reasons. For one, the supplier I went with had an ST185 and an ST215 in stock... no ST205. The ST215 was on special for only $300 more than the ST185, so I though, hey, for 35hp more, and an engine that's at LEAST 6 years newer, better turbo, MAP-sensored, etc, might as well go for it, so that's what I recommended to easternpiro.

The whole argument of "OMG LOL PArTs are GoInG to Be sO harD To FiND it's GonNa be a NiGtmAre LOL!!!11" is purely speculation. (Just for the record, I'm referring to threads in times past, not to anyone in this particular thread). There are a few things that are different from the USDM 3SGTEs that we know of. DLS ignition which means no coil, ignitor, or wires, different shaped intake manifold, and different exhaust manifold/turbo setup. Other than that, I can't see that Toyota would have made any changes to speak of when it comes to the timing belt, water pump, etc. It's STILL a 3SGTE, it's just a newer version of it.

And what a lot of people have said about the ST215 not being "worth the money" since you can get 260hp out of an ST185 with "a few bolt-ons" isn't really an issue here, since we only paid $300 more for this engine set. And it comes with a better turbo, larger injectors, and no pesky AFM, so it's got plenty of potential.

Lastly, the biggest obstacle to overcome with this swap is the wiring, and everyone is probably on-track saying that it's going to be quite a bit more difficult than a typical ST185 swap. Thankfully though, I'll be doing the wiring, so that's nothing to worry about!

Cheers!

[color=#3366FF]once again doc...U ARE THE MAN cheers back at ya (2 beers 4 ya )

yeah so the quick 280-290 HP daily driver that (hopefully) only requires a little bit more maintaning than the car does now yeah i think youll be happy with the ST215 (260) with some minor bolt ons/supporting mods/ a little extra boost (+20or so) and if you have to maybe a different turbo putting you around 300-315 and with the supporting mods

of course all of this is dependant on the fact there isnt a huge diffence in wiring or anything like that that can be worked out

(edit for thread above: im talking flywheel HP hes talking wheel HP (i assume) and my numbers are of course brand new booklet numbers not real life running of a motor a few years old so i think were both about right)

(edit again cause im slow) sounds like tweak made up his mind on the ST215 and he'll be more than happy working with it youll be more than happy with it in your car

[color=#3366FF] i was thinking the same thing man

oh and bforster, i saw that dyno sheet on mr2oc, and they said they were tuning it within a SAFE boost range, (11psi which isnt stock boost according to them) so imagine how much it puts out on stock boost at the wheels!!