Sep 10, 2006 - 6:16 PM
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Get up off your conservative butts and make something fun. Right now you're the only car company out there with nothing even remotely sporty in your lineup.
There's a huge HUGE gap in the fun category between the $15,000 tC and the $35,000 IS. What they need: -proper two door, rear wheel drive sports car -starting around $25,500 -2GR-FE plant to the tune of 300-320 horsepower (they'll wanna stay a little bit ahead of the Z and Mustang, knowing them). -six speed close ratio gearbox, LSD standard, TCS optional -Keep the weight reasonable at around 3300-3400lbs. -I'd like to see gas mileage at around 22 city/30 highway. I'm gonna have a hard enough time keeping my foot off the gas as it is. This is well within their reach and they need to do it. I've been living off my celica for too long. Ever since I got my new job I've been saving my money, just waiting for a car like this. I just can't bring myself to defect to another company, and if this doesn't happen soon, I'm going to be picking up an MR Sypder next summer. |
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Sep 10, 2006 - 9:32 PM
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as much as i love toyota, i can't really hand them the torch for a sportscar. the 7th gen celica was the best they've done in the US market since they axed the supra. and i hate 7th gens.
as much as i'd like to hope that they would build something like the supra concept on the link above, they'll never do it. it's far too hedonistic and expensive. toyota does not do stuff like that anymore. unlike the big three, they don't build cars as an all-or-nothing effort to save their a$$ in these tortured automotive times. (scoff...camaro? charger?) and besides, i'm not in, nor will i be in the near future, the position to buy a car that commands the price i think that car would. IF they were to do anything...it would make the most sense to use a platform they already have...like the latest IS/altezza platform. the only reason they made THAT rwd, manual trans monstah is because they're interested in pulling sales out from under the germans. competing with ford, chevy, and chrysler is soooo low on their list...i mean, they've already proved that they build better cars. right now the japanese companies are ALL focusing on usurping the germans. and american trucks, but who cares? anyway, i don't think they need to compete with the likes of the GT-R, either. people who know that they want that car would never buy a toyota instead anyway. that market is fickle...the $50-100K sports-coupe club is also densely poulated with cars you simply can't expect toyota to outdo, namely the porsche cayman, bmw m-coupe, and the corvette (like it or not!). they'd never take that risk. they SHOULD tackle the sub-35k market though...which is well within their reach. take the IS platform, like i mentioned before.....and finesse it. shorter wheelbase, wider track. two doors. use the same powerplants. no sense tuning them for 10-15 more bhp to differentiate them from the sedans...anyone who wants more power is going to get it themselves anyway. keep the costs down. they could aim squarely for the entry-level sports-coupe segment, where the 350z, crossfire, tt, and 3-series hang out. they could do it. will they? probably not. -------------------- ![]() do you know who i am, mr. worley? |
creamed_corn Listen up Toyota... Sep 10, 2006 - 6:16 PM
creamed_corn Oh, and no "Toyota only makes family cars... Sep 10, 2006 - 6:20 PM
devilsden97 end rant?
toyota has made more sales now more th... Sep 10, 2006 - 6:24 PM
purplegt4 get a mr-s, drop a 2zz-ge. Sep 10, 2006 - 6:28 PM
jdg371 QUOTE(purplegt4 @ Sep 10, 2006 - 7:2... Sep 10, 2006 - 6:37 PM
block i have to agree with creamed_corn...toyota needs a... Sep 10, 2006 - 6:39 PM
netrata Toyota needs to bring back a vvt-i 3sge/3sgte-powe... Sep 10, 2006 - 6:40 PM
easternpiro1 i totally agree. i called toyota one day and got t... Sep 10, 2006 - 6:46 PM
creamed_corn QUOTE(easternpiro1 @ Sep 10, 2006 - 6... Sep 10, 2006 - 6:52 PM
Manta5x Toyota's current lack of sporty cars makes our... Sep 10, 2006 - 6:48 PM
burneeed lol.... you can pipe dream and assume all you want... Sep 10, 2006 - 6:53 PM
easternpiro1 good point. sedans are where the money is at toyot... Sep 10, 2006 - 7:03 PM
nixxx A second generation of desire....*sigh*
Supra 5th... Sep 10, 2006 - 7:15 PM
creamed_corn QUOTE(nixxx @ Sep 10, 2006 - 7:15 PM... Sep 10, 2006 - 7:26 PM
team_omega somethings wrong with toyota....they be bringing b... Sep 10, 2006 - 7:36 PM
sinner96ST You can thank the SUV's and gas prices for toy... Sep 10, 2006 - 7:38 PM
sinner96ST QUOTE(creamed_corn @ Sep 10, 2006 - 4... Sep 10, 2006 - 7:49 PM
creamed_corn QUOTE(sinner96ST @ Sep 10, 2006 - 7... Sep 10, 2006 - 8:55 PM
spolski07 from the rumors i have read on the new "supra... Sep 10, 2006 - 7:53 PM
block that better not be the new supra...s2k and carrera... Sep 10, 2006 - 8:07 PM
easternpiro1 QUOTE(nixxx @ Sep 10, 2006 - 7:15 PM... Sep 10, 2006 - 8:09 PM
block QUOTE(easternpiro1 @ Sep 10, 2006 - 8... Sep 10, 2006 - 8:18 PM
burneeed yes that is the same supra we have all been waitin... Sep 10, 2006 - 8:37 PM
nixxx well this is the pic of the last prototype i know ... Sep 10, 2006 - 8:44 PM
slvr_celica_GT_816 they should have continued the celica line, instea... Sep 10, 2006 - 9:30 PM
Rayme Toyota is a business, business is to make money, t... Sep 10, 2006 - 11:35 PM
block QUOTE(Rayme @ Sep 10, 2006 - 11:35 P... Sep 11, 2006 - 8:01 AM
j0e_p3t they should have brought the gt-four to america. i... Sep 11, 2006 - 12:09 AM
Zimluura 2nded on "toyota should've brought the 6t... Sep 11, 2006 - 12:41 AM
neoklis Most of the opinions above are correct. The thing ... Sep 11, 2006 - 6:09 AM
rzanology well....maybe its just me...but i look at lexus an... Sep 11, 2006 - 8:40 AM
uberschall ha, i hate to continue, but....
i did some thinki... Sep 11, 2006 - 10:37 AM
block they brought back the mr2...but non turbo/slow/spy... Sep 11, 2006 - 10:43 AM
TomPoz Yeah, yeah. We all want new Celica. Preferably AWD... Sep 11, 2006 - 10:47 AM
Mynzeyes this thread is useless. Sep 11, 2006 - 10:56 AM
Mynzeyes QUOTE(Mynzeyes @ Sep 11, 2006 - 10:5... Sep 11, 2006 - 11:10 AM
Akimbo if it ain't broke... Sep 11, 2006 - 10:57 AM
uberschall mynzeyes = a god amongst insects Sep 11, 2006 - 11:25 AM
jess_i_74 Woohoo, a TRD blower for a FWD car! Woo! 2... Sep 11, 2006 - 11:47 AM
SinisterWhisper This is a pointless thread. A bunch of diehards wh... Sep 11, 2006 - 1:52 PM
rzanology nothing wrong with this thread. when we bought a T... Sep 11, 2006 - 2:16 PM
Mynzeyes QUOTE(rzanology @ Sep 11, 2006 - 2:1... Sep 11, 2006 - 2:30 PM
WH95TE QUOTE(Mynzeyes @ Sep 11, 2006 - 2:30... Sep 11, 2006 - 3:22 PM
celica47 How can that be? Is it that people in Japan and ot... Sep 11, 2006 - 2:19 PM
saleeka Emissions, cough, emissions...
That and the very ... Sep 11, 2006 - 2:28 PM
saleeka The "moving forward" concept is right in... Sep 11, 2006 - 2:42 PM
rzanology sony is killing the ps3 because they are pushing t... Sep 11, 2006 - 2:47 PM
Mynzeyes QUOTE(rzanology @ Sep 11, 2006 - 2:4... Sep 11, 2006 - 2:56 PM
fastgt toyota was smart to pull their sports cars...they ... Sep 11, 2006 - 2:57 PM
saleeka QUOTE(fastgt @ Sep 11, 2006 - 2:57 P... Sep 11, 2006 - 3:00 PM
Mynzeyes QUOTE(saleeka @ Sep 11, 2006 - 3:00 ... Sep 11, 2006 - 3:08 PM
fastgt off the top of my head i remember the corvette, 91... Sep 11, 2006 - 3:15 PM
hitcachi I figure that i might add a comment here also.
Tak... Sep 11, 2006 - 3:23 PM
laff09 QUOTE(hitcachi @ Sep 11, 2006 - 3:23... Sep 11, 2006 - 5:36 PM
hitcachi QUOTE(laff09 @ Sep 11, 2006 - 5:36 P... Sep 12, 2006 - 1:49 AM
fastgt i think toyota really shot themselves in the feet ... Sep 11, 2006 - 3:33 PM
tomazws One simple solution, just bring the turboed AWD Co... Sep 11, 2006 - 3:48 PM
fastgt QUOTE(tomazws @ Sep 11, 2006 - 1:48 ... Sep 11, 2006 - 3:54 PM
creamed_corn Uh, yea, I started this thread, and I wasn't w... Sep 11, 2006 - 6:42 PM
celica47 ^enuf said Sep 11, 2006 - 6:44 PM
easternpiro1 QUOTE(rzanology @ Sep 11, 2006 - 2:4... Sep 11, 2006 - 10:25 PM
fastgt if people have such a big problem with the high oi... Sep 12, 2006 - 8:16 AM
Kwanza26 No point in arguing over this. There's simply... Sep 12, 2006 - 10:29 AM
rzanology very good points made. maybe we're really in t... Sep 12, 2006 - 12:34 PM
OOBE Toyota is getting loaded on Prius and Camry cars. ... Sep 12, 2006 - 1:03 PM
sinner96ST This thread does matter, it shows that Toyota does... Sep 12, 2006 - 1:06 PM
OOBE They could care less about how many "Toyota f... Sep 12, 2006 - 1:11 PM
sinner96ST Well, we're still Toyota drivers whether or no... Sep 12, 2006 - 1:14 PM
boosted_K2 seriously good god, how many of you could and woul... Sep 12, 2006 - 1:56 PM
boosted_K2 for anyone who want to argue: fact (from autonews.... Sep 12, 2006 - 2:08 PM
BlackCelicaGT94 I read this recently that its all about hybrid now... Sep 12, 2006 - 2:09 PM
boosted_K2 toyota has been pushing hybrid sports cars for a l... Sep 12, 2006 - 2:27 PM
fastgt if the supra were to come out next week, i would h... Sep 12, 2006 - 2:28 PM
boosted_K2 chances are a new supra wouldnt be in the same pri... Sep 12, 2006 - 3:05 PM
boosted_K2 doesnt take much searching to find what you are lo... Sep 12, 2006 - 3:28 PM
fastgt boosted k2 im sure the supra would cost at least 1... Sep 12, 2006 - 3:32 PM
creamed_corn Man, some people in this thread talking like Toyot... Sep 12, 2006 - 5:27 PM
Kwanza26 QUOTE(creamed_corn @ Sep 12, 2006 - 10... Sep 12, 2006 - 7:01 PM
soulshadow Lets just face it. Toyota was made for the older g... Sep 12, 2006 - 7:25 PM
easternpiro1 QUOTE(sinner96ST @ Sep 12, 2006 - 1... Sep 12, 2006 - 9:18 PM
neoklis Why be in F1 if they do not want to have a sports ... Sep 18, 2006 - 10:18 AM
neoklis "Corolla: Toyota has delayed the redesign for... Sep 18, 2006 - 10:27 AM
TomPoz Sad but true...
Also, Toyota is actually loosing ... Sep 19, 2006 - 11:21 AM![]() ![]() |
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