Awesome Thread., 2ZZ/1ZZ <-> E153? Maybe... Options

[Silver94CelicaOw...]

I found this discussion on NewCelica.org about trying to shoehorn the E153 transmission onto the later ZZ series engines by Toyota via an adaptor kit...

http://www.newcelica.org/forums/showthread.php?t=213963

Thought that it was really interesting....not only for the turbo 2ZZGE guys on that forum that desire a more rugged gearbox option, but somebody else mentioned that it would allow cars like the SW20 MR2, Corolla, STxxx and ATxxx Celicas, Currens, Camrys, Solara, you name it to use the 2ZZ motor with ease in those chassis. Also, in theory you could use such a kit in a reverse role and use the components from the kit that allow the E153 to mount up to the 2ZZGE block on a Lotus Elise, and thus allowing for the use of S-series Toyota motors in a Lotus Elise by changing one mount only.

Can you say, 3SGTE powered Elise? BEAMS powered Elise even?? How about a 2ZZ powered ST202/204, ATxxx? Interesting stuff.

[Silver94CelicaOw...]

Sorry I'm too excited and not in-the-know....

I have no clue if they were talking about a modified E153 bellhousing or not, they might not either. Obviously thats what would probably allow the two to mate up because you couldn't just slap on a plate and call it a day of course.....the input shaft would be moved out a good deal if it were just a shunk of metal added on and would make the whole thing a catastrophe if you were to rely on a plate. By the word "plate" I was imagining something that would requre such lengths as removing the bellhousing, installing the new setup thats been machined to bolt to the 2ZZ block.

Again, this is nothing set in stone, and its not a debate over whether or not the 2ZZGE is the best or not, or whether its entirely practical. I was just openly discussing the possibilities that could be made using such a setup if it were made and starting a thinktank over the issue. I don't think thats getting too excited, just a practical discussion.

[Kwanza26]

Sorry I'm too excited and not in-the-know....

I have no clue if they were talking about a modified E153 bellhousing or not, they might not either. Obviously thats what would probably allow the two to mate up because you couldn't just slap on a plate and call it a day of course.....the input shaft would be moved out a good deal if it were just a shunk of metal added on and would make the whole thing a catastrophe if you were to rely on a plate. By the word "plate" I was imagining something that would requre such lengths as removing the bellhousing, installing the new setup thats been machined to bolt to the 2ZZ block.

Again, this is nothing set in stone, and its not a debate over whether or not the 2ZZGE is the best or not, or whether its entirely practical. I was just openly discussing the possibilities that could be made using such a setup if it were made and starting a thinktank over the issue. I don't think thats getting too excited, just a practical discussion.

The 2ZZ is an excellent performance motor, the n/a factor alone makes it worthwhile... however do understand it's a purpose built n/a motor. Considering this is newcelica.org we're talking about... i'm fairly sure they're talking about some bolt-on deal. Unfortunately... it's quite a bit more complicated than that and only a very few highly boosted guys can take advantage of it. Gearing-wise... the 2ZZ's performance can hurt severly with taller ratios such as the e153 because its power is located almost exclusively beyond 6000 rpms.