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post Nov 9, 2006 - 12:42 AM
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primarily for conversation...

seeing as the 2AZFE has assumed the role of replacement for the 5SFE, and it is similar in application and displacement....how feasible/worthwhile is a swap in your opinion?

i got to thinking about it because it is a much better 6-speed option than the peaky, fragile 2ZZ.

based on a quick browse on ebay, the highest price i found for the motor itself was $1700.

and for pete's sake, don't be obnoxious.


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post Nov 15, 2006 - 7:23 AM
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QUOTE(uberschall @ Nov 15, 2006 - 12:48 AM) [snapback]502466[/snapback]



the few things i want:

1. decent fuel economy (regular gas is a plus)
2. ease of maintenance (i don't want to be fighting sparkplugs from the firewall side of a v6, etc.) and parts availability (i would like to be able to stop at a murrays and get regular maintenance parts if needed, like a timing belt, for example)
3. minimal fringe expenditures (i don't want to spend a bunch of extra money to rebuild a turbo, etc. i don't need to be constantly throwing money at it when i'm done, either)
4. reasonable entry cost. a blacktop 3sge would be my first choice if money weren't an issue. i would like to keep the clip around $2k if possible.

i'm not interested in more that 200 hp or so. the primary goal is a daily driven tsm-class autocross car. the reason the 2azfe interested me is that it's got alot more torque than a 5sfe, and a little more horsepower. it runs on regular unleaded, has an aftermarket that is growing exponentially, and is very new. by very new, i mean that you can buy a clean low mileage motor domestically for under 2k.





This has V6 writen all over it, well... except maybe where you shun the V6 with spark plug accessibility

a picture is worth a thousand words

this is what you'd be looking at from the side
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This picture shows the clearance between the intake manifold and the rear head
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Changing the spark plugs on the V6 is a breeze, easily accessible unless you're 4 ft tall and it only takes 1/2 more the time of changine spark plugs on a 5SFE.

I have to admit swapping a V6 is much more complex than a 3SGTE but you get all the advantages with nearly no disavantages. And guess what, it's been done before !! so that means 2 things for you, 1 it's possible (or probable I should say), 2 there's acutal information specificly about swapping a MZ motor into a celica.... only bad part is most of it is stuck in my head and i'm too lazy to type it ALL down, however I will answer all questions that are asked to me. So there is still research to do to know those questions.

That aside, you're on the right track with your project. There is plenty of choice for engines out there, make a (realistic) decision based on what YOU want. Unless proven otherwize, the 2AZFE is not a good candidate


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Kwanza26 may sound like a jerk but he is far from being one. A real jerk would plain and simply have no value in his words. Every word Kwanza26 says can be taken as good information... if it sounds like an insult, it's probably true ! Take it as constructive critisism.
I know what is meant tho, at first I didn't like the guy but I came to realize, he's willing to get into details about explaining things and devoting a good amount of time to write all about it. That shows his good will.

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Posts in this topic
- uberschall   2AZFE?   Nov 9, 2006 - 12:42 AM
- - Bitter   it looks like the engine faces the correct way atl...   Nov 9, 2006 - 12:55 AM
- - Bigmeanbulldog55   Balance doesn't feel to bad now, but lighter i...   Nov 9, 2006 - 2:53 AM
- - ExSane   Is this engine a A-series engine like the 4A and 7...   Nov 9, 2006 - 3:00 AM
- - pure_dx   ^dont think so, that Z is looking outta place the...   Nov 9, 2006 - 4:06 AM
- - Bigmeanbulldog55   Other than .2 liters and vvti, I want to know what...   Nov 9, 2006 - 9:54 PM
- - JoKeRkId613   I have a 2azfe! soon to be 2azfze the moto...   Nov 9, 2006 - 10:01 PM
- - K-ESD   the trick is, does the trans that fit our mounts, ...   Nov 9, 2006 - 10:15 PM
- - jdg371   Rumors has it that the S-Series Trannies will work...   Nov 9, 2006 - 10:32 PM
- - Bitter   also it has some forged internals stock, for examp...   Nov 9, 2006 - 11:08 PM
- - uberschall   now THIS is what i'm talking about! thanks...   Nov 9, 2006 - 11:31 PM
- - JoKeRkId613   i dont think the last statement jdog made is true....   Nov 9, 2006 - 11:36 PM
|- - Bitter   QUOTE(JoKeRkId613 @ Nov 9, 2006 - 11...   Nov 9, 2006 - 11:45 PM
|- - jdg371   QUOTE(JoKeRkId613 @ Nov 9, 2006 - 11...   Nov 10, 2006 - 8:09 AM
|- - JoKeRkId613   QUOTE(jdg371 @ Nov 10, 2006 - 6:09 A...   Nov 12, 2006 - 1:36 AM
|- - jdg371   QUOTE(JoKeRkId613 @ Nov 12, 2006 - 1...   Nov 12, 2006 - 9:01 AM
- - Kwanza26   It's just a bigger 5SFE-type motor... but newe...   Nov 10, 2006 - 12:17 AM
- - Bitter   i thought i read somewhere that the 2azfe came wit...   Nov 10, 2006 - 12:58 AM
|- - Kwanza26   QUOTE(Bitter @ Nov 10, 2006 - 5:58 A...   Nov 10, 2006 - 1:08 AM
|- - Bitter   QUOTE(Kwanza26 @ Nov 10, 2006 - 1:08...   Nov 10, 2006 - 11:40 AM
|- - Kwanza26   QUOTE(Bitter @ Nov 10, 2006 - 4:40 P...   Nov 10, 2006 - 4:26 PM
- - K-ESD   QUOTE(uberschall @ Nov 10, 2006 - 12...   Nov 10, 2006 - 7:15 AM
- - Bigmeanbulldog55   I popped the hood on my aunts Camry, and it looks ...   Nov 10, 2006 - 9:59 AM
|- - saleeka   QUOTE(Bigmeanbulldog55 @ Nov 10, 2006 - ...   Nov 11, 2006 - 7:47 PM
|- - JesterDC   who freaking cares about the definitioin of 'f...   Nov 11, 2006 - 8:07 PM
|- - Kwanza26   QUOTE(JesterDC) who freaking cares about the defin...   Nov 14, 2006 - 11:16 AM
- - netrata   This might be a little off topic but hey. I raced...   Nov 10, 2006 - 2:42 PM
|- - Bigmeanbulldog55   QUOTE(netrata @ Nov 10, 2006 - 2:42 ...   Nov 10, 2006 - 3:06 PM
- - macavely   My TC has 2azfe my gt has 5sfe.. an i have had the...   Nov 10, 2006 - 3:22 PM
- - uberschall   perhaps we should start using the word machined to...   Nov 11, 2006 - 7:11 PM
- - pandakid   yea i plan to drop 2azfe. it would be street legal...   Nov 12, 2006 - 4:23 PM
|- - JoKeRkId613   QUOTE(pandakid @ Nov 12, 2006 - 2:23...   Nov 12, 2006 - 9:32 PM
|- - JesterDC   QUOTE(JoKeRkId613 @ Nov 12, 2006 - 10...   Nov 12, 2006 - 9:52 PM
- - j0e_p3t   let me know how you do that. i wanna swap in a cou...   Nov 12, 2006 - 8:17 PM
- - JoKeRkId613   very hard   Nov 13, 2006 - 12:02 AM
- - uberschall   trust me, joker...if one could acquire a new car f...   Nov 13, 2006 - 12:21 AM
- - pandakid   the reason i rather get the swap is i can't le...   Nov 13, 2006 - 1:28 AM
- - playr158   outta the box....but you guys are thinking what tr...   Nov 13, 2006 - 10:15 AM
- - K-ESD   QUOTE(playr158 @ Nov 13, 2006 - 11:1...   Nov 13, 2006 - 11:43 AM
|- - macavely   QUOTE(K-ESD @ Nov 13, 2006 - 11...   Nov 13, 2006 - 4:55 PM
|- - Bigmeanbulldog55   QUOTE(macavely @ Nov 13, 2006 - 4:55...   Nov 13, 2006 - 5:22 PM
- - Negative   woah ease up. This is a good conversation and one ...   Nov 13, 2006 - 5:44 PM
- - macavely   I'm sorry i thought the NO explained the answe...   Nov 13, 2006 - 5:57 PM
- - Dr_Tweak   Hey all, sorry it took me so long to get in on thi...   Nov 13, 2006 - 6:04 PM
- - uberschall   the bolt patterns don't seam (sic) to be the s...   Nov 13, 2006 - 6:13 PM
- - Bigmeanbulldog55   How about the cost of the 2azfe? Is it easy to ge...   Nov 13, 2006 - 6:49 PM
- - playr158   http://www.scionlife.com/tech/parts/image....=tc05...   Nov 13, 2006 - 7:28 PM
- - Bigmeanbulldog55   QUOTE(playr158 @ Nov 13, 2006 - 7:28...   Nov 13, 2006 - 7:45 PM
|- - JesterDC   QUOTE(Bigmeanbulldog55 @ Nov 13, 2006 - ...   Nov 13, 2006 - 8:04 PM
- - K-ESD   QUOTE(Dr_Tweak @ Nov 13, 2006 - 7:04...   Nov 13, 2006 - 9:57 PM
- - Dr_Tweak   Since the tranny is an E-series, then mounting it ...   Nov 13, 2006 - 10:06 PM
- - K-ESD   QUOTE(Dr_Tweak @ Nov 13, 2006 - 11:0...   Nov 13, 2006 - 10:10 PM
- - K-ESD   QUOTE(macavely @ Nov 13, 2006 - 6:57...   Nov 13, 2006 - 10:36 PM
- - playr158   don't be so narrow cause you can't slap on...   Nov 13, 2006 - 10:41 PM
- - XS4lv1Truch0x   anything is feasable. if they shoved a v8 in a 5g...   Nov 13, 2006 - 10:43 PM
- - uberschall   i've only started to understand toyotas transm...   Nov 13, 2006 - 10:50 PM
- - Bigmeanbulldog55   I don't think the non-fesiable should be talke...   Nov 13, 2006 - 10:53 PM
- - K-ESD   QUOTE(playr158 @ Nov 13, 2006 - 11:4...   Nov 14, 2006 - 7:15 AM
- - Bigmeanbulldog55   A swap is something that can fit. Sure, there are...   Nov 14, 2006 - 10:43 AM
- - pandakid   QUOTE(JoKeRkId613 @ Nov 9, 2006 - 10...   Nov 14, 2006 - 5:14 PM
- - K-ESD   QUOTE(Kwanza26 @ May 4, 2006- 2:29 A...   Nov 14, 2006 - 10:11 PM
|- - Bigmeanbulldog55   QUOTE(K-ESD @ Nov 14, 2006 - 10...   Nov 14, 2006 - 11:38 PM
- - uberschall   i definately did not mean to get anybdy riled up a...   Nov 14, 2006 - 11:48 PM
- - Bigmeanbulldog55   ^^Sounds like you need a 5sfe or 5sfte. I think y...   Nov 15, 2006 - 12:20 AM
- - uberschall   word. happy to oblige.   Nov 15, 2006 - 12:35 AM
- - K-ESD   QUOTE(uberschall @ Nov 15, 2006 - 12...   Nov 15, 2006 - 7:23 AM
- - SinisterWhisper   I have to say I don't see the value in the eng...   Nov 15, 2006 - 8:01 AM
- - uberschall   props to everyone with a v6 swap...looks like it...   Nov 15, 2006 - 8:46 AM
|- - Bigmeanbulldog55   QUOTE(uberschall @ Nov 15, 2006 - 8...   Nov 15, 2006 - 9:30 AM
- - K-ESD   QUOTE(Bigmeanbulldog55 @ Nov 15, 2006 - ...   Nov 15, 2006 - 4:50 PM
- - ILoveMySilly97   THREAD REVIVE! Has any 6gc done this swap yet?...   Oct 14, 2014 - 4:47 AM
- - Smaay   im not aware of anyone doing this swap, I dont see...   Oct 14, 2014 - 9:02 AM
- - Celicaguy13   Smaay. You're thinking of the 2AR-FE. That is ...   Oct 14, 2014 - 11:17 AM
- - Smaay   ^^^^ Ah yes, you are correct good sir   Oct 14, 2014 - 3:44 PM
- - njccmd2002   for all of you, not (not, not, not) in california...   Oct 14, 2014 - 5:52 PM
- - Special_Edy   2AZ-FE is not a performance motor, it's built ...   Oct 15, 2014 - 4:18 AM
- - Bitter   The 1/2AR would be a more interesting swap, or the...   Oct 15, 2014 - 9:47 PM
- - Syaoran   2AZ is cheap now, compared to when this thread was...   Oct 19, 2014 - 1:05 PM
- - Bitter   Just don't get one with the head bolts that st...   Oct 19, 2014 - 1:36 PM
- - Syaoran   Fixing a few threads and then studding the block s...   Oct 19, 2014 - 3:19 PM
- - Bitter   No, as long as the rest of the engine wasn't d...   Oct 19, 2014 - 3:30 PM


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