My Emanage Ultimate experience, 5sfte + emanage ultimate = ??? lets find out! |
My Emanage Ultimate experience, 5sfte + emanage ultimate = ??? lets find out! |
May 16, 2006 - 11:18 AM |
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Moderator Joined Oct 1, '02 From fall river, ma Currently Offline Reputation: 13 (100%) |
Hey all,
So, I've finally made my decision about what to do with the 5sfte, and ways to improve it, and as we all know one of the main areas that we're lacking is tuning, or lack there of, I should say! haha.. Anyway, I've been doing some research on the various piggybacks out there, and I've decided to go ahead and try the Greddy Emanage Ultimate. I'm gonna try and make this thread somewhat like my turbo thread, with lots of pictures and info, spread out over the whole experience from beginning to end. So, with that in mind, let me just go over a few things before I really start in with the 'Ultimate stuff. For those who havent seen the thread yet, or are new to the board, heres a link to my turbo thread. Click for my 5SFTE post That pretty much covers my particular setup, and what I've done with it to date. Just for the record, the car is driven daily, and NOT babied at all. That being said, as crazy as it may sound, I really DO believe there is more in it, and fairly reliably as well. Since the install last June, I've learned tons about how this thing we call the 5SFTE really works, why it does what it does, and I'm still learning tons and tons more about it everyday. I really cannot stress how important it is to try and learn as much as possible about your particular setup, what does and doesnt work, and why it does what it does. I think one of the main issues we need to look at is how the stock N/A ECU applies timing VS' say a stock 3SGTE ecu, which is one of our big hurdles when it comes to tuning, and IMO one of the main reasons alot of guys loose the 5sfte battle...lol I've noticed during my dyno runs, when i had the BTM installed, that the ECU REALLY seemed to be pulling ALOT of timing, right at 4450RPM, as you can see in this dyno run: At first i thought it may have somthing to do with the BTM, so I played with it some, and it seemed the more I turned it down, the less it seemed to pull back, so I finally got to the point where it was totally @ 0, and I removed it. Although i could still feel it pulling timing, it was ALOT better without the BTM, and here is my theory why: (this is JUST A THEORY, I AM NOT SAYING THIS IS WITHOUT A DOUBT WHATS HAPPENING, keep that in mind. the factory ECU has timing maps that are set for N/A operation. at the torque peak, there is just too much timing in the factory map for the amount of boost im trying to run, on pump gas. by the time the ecu reacts, im hitting the knock sensor, causing the ecu to pull out timing, and that coupled with the timing already being pulled by the BTM ( im WAY into full boost by then..lol) just makes the whole thing worse. I really think that with the features of the Emanage ultimate, I'll be able to totally solve that issue, and really improve my tune all around. First thing I've done, is head right over to www.greddy.com , and downloaded the installation and operation manuals from there. Once I did a little reading, I noticed some really cool features that I thing will REALLY help us get a MUCH improved tune on our 5SFTE's. heres a screenshot of some of the features it has: cool stuff. I'll keep updating this post over the next couple of days with lots more info and stuff.. for now, DISCUSS!! -------------------- Former Team 5SFTE pro member ;)
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Dec 17, 2006 - 10:06 AM |
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Moderator Joined Oct 1, '02 From fall river, ma Currently Offline Reputation: 13 (100%) |
another update on the goings on with my emanage ultimate experience...lol
Greddy has released an update for the software and firmware for the EU(emanage ultimate), and has made some changes to the way you set up the unit as well as small updates to the software to aid in tuning.. the main one that will be HUGE for all of us is the setup. i have 2 specifc hurdles to overcome to get the EU installed and running on the 5sfte. #1, was the wiring. there is no wiring diagram for the 5sfe. so, that meant that i had to make my own, which after some research, i got all figured out, with the help of some of you, and the BGB. #2, is the fact that in the EU software setup, you needed to pick an engine code for your application. while they do have alot of engines listed, (2nd and 3rd gen 3SGTE, 3SGE, 1&2ZZ, ect) they do not have the 5sfe. here is a screenshot of the pulldown menu with some of the engines listed: once you do that, it sets up your map sensor and crank and cam signal for you. so, your basicly forced to choose from one of the toyota engines that closest matches ours. which is a "little" bit of an issue, cause if you choose 3sge, it bases everything off a 1bar map, and if you choose 3sgte, its flapper(AFM) based. with the update they recently released, they added a "universal" setting to the engine select screen, for all other applications, like ours. so, what i will do, is use the universal setting, and since i know the distributor from the 3s series engines are the same operationally as the 5s, i use the setting from them, and the toyota 2 bar map setting (TY PR-2) here is a screenshot with that all set up. good stuff! i also recieved the harness yesterday, it looked a little daunting at first...lol once i started going thru the wires and sorting out the ones i need, it got a lot better. i think once i actually get working on it, it shouldnt take more than a couple hrs to get it all wired up. the actual unit should be here monday or tuesday! -------------------- Former Team 5SFTE pro member ;)
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