 Superstrut Suspension, ST202 - ST205 suspention |
 Aug 18, 2005 - 9:18 AM
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In Europe we also have celica's with Superstrut Suspension.
Thats wy i'm sharing this information! The ST205 GT-Four uses a system of front suspension design unique to Toyota. It moves away from the MacPherson strut used on all other Celicas and is much more complex. This system is used on the GT-Four, some Japanese spec Corollas and the higher spec Japanese fwd Celicas (SSII and SSIII). It was available in Europe on the Carina GTi and was an option on the ST202 (thanks Dirk for the info). My understanding of the system is that the geometry does not give the same camber and castor changes during cornering that occur with MacPherson strut. Is it better? Well, it is different. There are reliability problems if maintenance isn't kept up, TTE had continual problems and I believe they swapped the rally cars back to MacPherson strut. A brief description of MacPherson strut is in order. The Toyota system uses a lower A arm with rubber bushings front and rear. This has only one degree of motion (ie. it rotates on the bushings). At the outer point of the A arm is a balljoint which connects to the steering knuckle and allows for rotation (steering) and pivot (shock compression). The steering knuckle is rigidly bolted to the bottom of the strut. The whole strut turns when steering, twisting in the roller bearing in the top mount. Fairly simple and cheap, used by most manufacturers. So what is Superstrut suspension? It is a hybrid between normal MacPherson strut and a multilink setup. One of the requirements of the design brief was that the system would fit existing suspension mount locations. Therefore the system can be fitted into export Celicas as well as the Japanese lower spec SSI! The late production cars even share the same subframe. The photo below shows the lower part of the system. This consists of a front and rear lower arm, connected (by rodends) to a connector plate. The rear arm has a rubber bushing at the inner end (the only rubber bushing at the front except swaybar D-bushings), the front arm has a balljoint. This system allows the arms to pivot as the suspension turns.  The steering knuckle is quite different to that of the MacPherson strut cars. It bolts securely to the connector plate joining the lower arms (see photo below). The top end connects to the strut part way up using a balljoint (see red arrow in left picture and upper arrow in right picture below. The strut mounts to the body in the normal way, but the lower end is secured to the front lower arm using another pivoting arm visible at the right in the photo above. This arm is near vertical in the photos, it is actually about 150mm long and pivots at each end.   The photo of the assembled suspension below shows that the strut rotates minimally when steering ( the same amount as the front lower arm as it is rigidly connected). The steering knuckle moves instead. While the outboard strut moves rearwards slightly when the car turns in (turning left in the photo), it can be seen that the hub moves forward. But because of the strut movement the actual movement at the wheel is minimised. The second photo shows the mounting points for the lower arms on the subframe.   All the info from: gtfour.supras.org.nz |
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Dec 29, 2006 - 3:49 AM
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Great write-up, but how to determine, is my ST202 with SSS or not... I'm not a mechanic (prob. LOL), but I wish to know. VIN doesn't tell anything...
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Dec 29, 2006 - 9:15 AM
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QUOTE(G3D45 @ Dec 29, 2006 - 1:49 AM) [snapback]513801[/snapback] Great write-up, but how to determine, is my ST202 with SSS or not... I'm not a mechanic (prob. LOL), but I wish to know. VIN doesn't tell anything... Gedai - susuk vaira ir viska tu ten pamatysi  O jei Superstrutas stovi - ant galiinio lango apacios eina lipdukas SuperStrut.Sorry guys for our language But ussualy when superstrut is suplied on the GT the sticker on the rear glass is placed telling this. BTW - not too many GT in 94 came with the SS.-------------------- Ex celica owner - just a guy from other side of the pond...
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Dec 30, 2006 - 8:25 AM
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QUOTE(doGGy @ Dec 29, 2006 - 3:15 PM) [snapback]513831[/snapback] QUOTE(G3D45 @ Dec 29, 2006 - 1:49 AM) [snapback]513801[/snapback] Great write-up, but how to determine, is my ST202 with SSS or not... I'm not a mechanic (prob. LOL), but I wish to know. VIN doesn't tell anything... Gedai - susuk vaira ir viska tu ten pamatysi O jei Superstrutas stovi - ant galiinio lango apacios eina lipdukas SuperStrut.Sorry guys for our language But ussualy when superstrut is suplied on the GT the sticker on the rear glass is placed telling this. BTW - not too many GT in 94 came with the SS.yea...  -------------------- No more replicas... This is evolution... This is SS-four :)
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Dec 30, 2006 - 1:19 PM
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QUOTE yea... Martin - we all know what you cheated intresting... from what year does ST came with the SS suspension and SSIII stickers on spoiler  -------------------- Ex celica owner - just a guy from other side of the pond...
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celi94 Superstrut Suspension Aug 18, 2005 - 9:18 AM
presure2 good stuff man!! Aug 18, 2005 - 10:02 AM Mr_E Vote for sticky. Aug 18, 2005 - 12:42 PM
Nibbe QUOTE(doGGy @ Dec 29, 2006 - 9:15 AM... Dec 29, 2006 - 9:18 AM
malpaso QUOTE(doGGy @ Dec 30, 2006 - 7:19 PM... Jan 2, 2007 - 4:59 AM Kadett If you have 2piston Calipers in the front. Its SS ... Dec 29, 2006 - 8:55 AM Nibbe Is it impossible to change superstrut to MacPherso... Dec 29, 2006 - 9:14 AM doGGy QUOTE(Nibbe @ Dec 29, 2006 - 7:14 AM... Dec 29, 2006 - 9:18 AM G3D45 I compared mine suspension with this one and I don... Dec 30, 2006 - 6:30 AM G3D45 I don't have such stick Maybe it was only on ... Dec 30, 2006 - 11:27 AM Nibbe Btw i dont really know much about that ssI II III ... Jan 1, 2007 - 11:30 AM Kadett http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_Celica....2819... Jan 1, 2007 - 11:45 AM G3D45 QUOTE(Kadett @ Jan 1, 2007 - 6:45 PM... Jan 1, 2007 - 12:34 PM doGGy QUOTE(G3D45 @ Jan 1, 2007 - 10:34 AM... Jan 1, 2007 - 12:43 PM G3D45 QUOTE(doGGy @ Jan 1, 2007 - 7:43 PM)... Jan 1, 2007 - 3:56 PM Penkka QUOTE(G3D45 @ Jan 1, 2007 - 3:56 PM)... Dec 23, 2007 - 12:36 PM Edophus QUOTE (Penkka @ Dec 23, 2007 - 1:36 ... Jul 11, 2008 - 5:54 PM Kadett Yup,
Sportpackage or Sport Undercarriage its call... Jan 1, 2007 - 12:58 PM TomPoz My GT was 94 from Switzerland - with SSS. Jan 2, 2007 - 7:33 AM doGGy our biggest nightmare Jan 4, 2007 - 3:30 PM Edophus Superstrut can be expensive to maintain but a celi... Jan 4, 2007 - 8:13 PM Alan Hey guys hows it going does anyone have a problem ... Nov 2, 2007 - 7:55 AM playr158 anyone have part numbers for the various pieces i... Nov 2, 2007 - 8:57 AM Kadett Thats normal Mcpherson Struts. Not SS struts. Dec 5, 2007 - 7:43 AM soven The superstrut suspension feels heaps better than ... Dec 27, 2007 - 12:34 AM Penkka Superstrut with all the part numbers
Macpherson ... Jan 17, 2008 - 3:03 PM lmac34 QUOTE (Penkka @ Jan 17, 2008 - 3:03 ... Jul 10, 2008 - 5:56 AM Kwanza26 QUOTE (lmac34 @ Jul 10, 2008 - 11:56... Jul 13, 2008 - 3:11 PM delusionz The first thing I noticed going from SS-I to SS-II... Jul 26, 2008 - 12:17 PM Anabolik I bought a rack with auction! Jul 29, 2008 - 4:16 AM Cuts_the_Pilot I bought from japan Jul 29, 2008 - 9:10 AM Anabolik KYB we have not appreciated! Rapidly destroyed... Jul 29, 2008 - 9:42 AM Cuts_the_Pilot most of you were using inserts yes? and not the su... Jul 29, 2008 - 5:47 PM Anabolik QUOTE (Cuts_the_Pilot @ Jul 30, 2008 - 6... Jul 29, 2008 - 10:33 PM paul_gt4 without going and reading all the replies, my car ... Jul 29, 2008 - 6:54 PM Cuts_the_Pilot i duno about it being better handling man, compare... Jul 29, 2008 - 10:08 PM Rusty QUOTE (delusionz)...Superslut...
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QUOTE I am s... Jul 30, 2008 - 2:28 AM Cuts_the_Pilot put in the kyb super special yesterday, and fnck m... Jul 31, 2008 - 6:22 AM coneyre QUOTE (Cuts_the_Pilot @ Jul 31, 2008 - 6... Dec 4, 2008 - 7:13 AM Rusty load some pics up Mr Cuts Jul 31, 2008 - 4:24 PM Cuts_the_Pilot RE: Superstrut Suspension Jul 31, 2008 - 4:29 PM Rusty Wow that was quick
Very nice Jul 31, 2008 - 4:30 PM paul_gt4 QUOTE (Cuts_the_Pilot @ Jul 30, 2008 - 4... Jul 31, 2008 - 6:58 PM playr158 QUOTE (paul_gt4 @ Jul 29, 2008 - 6:5... Dec 4, 2008 - 8:21 AM GEpower I love it that my new Celica has Superstrut. Howev... Dec 4, 2008 - 8:49 AM 97celiman http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacPherson_strut
so ... Dec 7, 2008 - 6:33 PM Cuts_the_Pilot Coneyre I got them through a mate of mine who deal... Dec 7, 2008 - 7:42 PM WALKER I think I was able to find the part numbers for th... Mar 17, 2009 - 11:22 AM yorkie I have a 94 Superstrut Celica and as you have expl... May 15, 2009 - 8:21 AM Cuts_the_Pilot assuming you mean the fig 6 and the upper ball joi... May 17, 2009 - 4:51 AM Nial I dont see the problem with superstrut suspension.... May 17, 2009 - 6:34 AM kaz_st202 hi, having a huge problem. need to know if my car ... Aug 21, 2009 - 3:08 PM Ronan QUOTE (kaz_st202 @ Aug 21, 2009 - 9... Aug 21, 2009 - 3:27 PM delusionz QUOTE (Ronan @ Aug 22, 2009 - 8:27 A... Aug 21, 2009 - 7:50 PM Tech-Nics I head there is a difference in the suspension bet... Aug 21, 2009 - 5:28 PM 95CelicaST QUOTE (Tech-Nics @ Aug 21, 2009 - 3... Aug 21, 2009 - 6:06 PM 6gtfour I'm sort of concerned since I've seen post... Sep 15, 2009 - 7:33 PM Rusty of course you'd need to change all those thing... Sep 16, 2009 - 1:16 AM BonzaiCelica alright guys so if you were to put up a celica wit... Mar 10, 2010 - 1:38 AM Euphoria It would be very close, it would be more upto the ... Mar 10, 2010 - 9:10 AM BonzaiCelica yes that is that the integra type r and ss-III cel... Mar 10, 2010 - 3:16 PM Rusty ^^ unless you have a SS-II 7gen celica +Z package ... Mar 10, 2010 - 11:59 PM BonzaiCelica yes ss-II 7th gen celicas do have double wishbone ... Mar 11, 2010 - 12:27 AM Edophus the best thing about superstrut, and what is misse... Mar 11, 2010 - 5:32 AM BonzaiCelica oh really hmm now I kind of wish I had on my celic... Mar 11, 2010 - 11:15 PM Edophus QUOTE (BonzaiCelica @ Mar 12, 2010 - 4... Mar 12, 2010 - 5:06 AM Penkka QUOTE (Edophus @ Mar 12, 2010 - 5:06... Mar 12, 2010 - 7:51 AM Edophus QUOTE (Penkka @ Mar 12, 2010 - 12:51... Mar 12, 2010 - 9:02 AM BonzaiCelica kinda bummed out that we don't have superstrut... Mar 13, 2010 - 4:06 AM delusionz Dredging an old topic here, most of you guys are r... Mar 13, 2010 - 2:10 PM Rusty might have more to do with the lsd??
could be goo... Mar 13, 2010 - 11:21 PM Euphoria Yeah LSD has a massive difference for putting powe... Mar 14, 2010 - 2:47 AM BonzaiCelica would it of been possible for toyota to put double... Mar 19, 2010 - 2:14 AM Edophus QUOTE (BonzaiCelica @ Mar 19, 2010 - 7... Mar 19, 2010 - 5:23 AM delusionz Very good illustration there, and a Celica with re... Mar 19, 2010 - 3:30 PM Rusty ^ nope hes in UK, or there abouts (theres another ... Mar 19, 2010 - 4:07 PM Edophus Uk for me, my ss3 was already in the country, i li... Mar 19, 2010 - 4:38 PM Rusty you mean this part? QUOTE Includes helycal L.S.D. ... Mar 19, 2010 - 4:53 PM Edophus QUOTE (Rusty @ Mar 19, 2010 - 9:53 P... Mar 19, 2010 - 5:34 PM delusionz QUOTE (Rusty @ Mar 20, 2010 - 10:53 ... Mar 20, 2010 - 3:48 PM Rusty QUOTE Except below model 93.10-99.9 3S-FE, 3S-... Mar 20, 2010 - 10:44 PM BonzaiCelica hmm good stuff edophus! the only way to get my... Mar 19, 2010 - 9:13 PM Edophus QUOTE (BonzaiCelica @ Mar 20, 2010 - 2... Mar 27, 2010 - 4:52 PM Rusty Stickies are your friend Mar 19, 2010 - 9:52 PM Euphoria QUOTE (BonzaiCelica @ Mar 19, 2010 - 10... Mar 20, 2010 - 7:52 AM Euphoria is super strut even in the rear?
rear suspension... Mar 21, 2010 - 11:25 PM delusionz The absorber assys have different part numbers. Po... Mar 22, 2010 - 1:24 AM Euphoria Yeah Id say almost definitely stiffer springs/shoc... Mar 22, 2010 - 7:26 AM BonzaiCelica pointless post also to the one below me Mar 29, 2010 - 3:34 PM WALKER QUOTE (BonzaiCelica @ Mar 29, 2010 - 2... Mar 29, 2010 - 5:13 PM Edophus QUOTE (BonzaiCelica @ Mar 29, 2010 - 9... Mar 31, 2010 - 10:06 AM BonzaiCelica ya man those are for the rear suspension, it clear... Mar 29, 2010 - 10:05 PM WALKER QUOTE (BonzaiCelica @ Mar 29, 2010 - 9... Mar 29, 2010 - 11:10 PM BonzaiCelica oh ok, I get it it doesnt have any bushings on the... Mar 31, 2010 - 11:14 AM delusionz I've read somewhere on the forums that the rea... Mar 31, 2010 - 3:48 PM BonzaiCelica ok so you still haven't answered my question, ... Apr 1, 2010 - 12:08 AM |
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