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post Jan 5, 2007 - 11:36 AM
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QUOTE(lagos @ Jul 10, 2006 - 1:55 PM) [snapback]454118[/snapback]

i know your trying to do the right thing for your motor, but this is one of those times where you should just trust the guys who have had their swaps for a while and have done a ton of research into this.
 
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post Jan 7, 2007 - 3:16 PM
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QUOTE(jgreening @ Jan 6, 2007 - 5:47 PM) [snapback]515702[/snapback]

I'm sure you know better than the craftsman that created that masterpiece Dan. rolleyes.gif


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Paying for less performance--exhaust manifolds

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We've all seen the big, blingy exhaust manifolds on some of the expensive turbo kits with long pipes running up and over and under and down. The manufacturer says it provides equal length tuned runners to scavange the exhaust away from the cylinders. Worth the money? Usually not.

Turbines run on heat. The hotter the exhaust, the faster they spool and the more boost they can make. Need proof? Try this for an experiment on your EMS: take out several degrees of timing in the spoolup and boost region of your maps. The EGTs climb and you'll notice faster spooling and, if your turbo setup is right on the edge of boost creep, you'll get more boost creep.

The problem is, those beautiful, long, shinny pipes act as radiators. They lengthen the distance that the hot exhaust must travel between the port and the turbine and radiate that heat off into the engine bay where it becomes a liability rather than a benefit.

What about the scavenging effects? Bogus! As you start to push your turbine to make big power (whatever big power is for your turbo) exhaust manifold pressure will increase substantially and the scavenging effects of the returning finite pressure waves is greatly minimized. So much for all those beautiful pipes snaking all around the engine bay.

What works best? Short pipes coated with a thermal coating. In fact, the stock exhaust manifold coated and ported is probably going to outperform just about anything you can get out there.


food for thought reading and research for anyone interested
part 1: http://www.mr2oc.com/showthread.php?t=6629...age=1&pp=30
part 2: http://www.mr2oc.com/showthread.php?t=6701...length+manifold

Posts in this topic
- jgreening   check out this exhaust manifold   Jan 5, 2007 - 11:36 AM
- - shin   dammmmmmmmmmnn.. i just wet my pants   Jan 5, 2007 - 12:06 PM
- - doGGy   Totaly different solution It looks really really ...   Jan 5, 2007 - 12:15 PM
- - x_itchy_b_x   same car i think. very original idea. i have a fri...   Jan 5, 2007 - 12:18 PM
- - snapshotgt   I heard the large amount of money this guy paid.. ...   Jan 5, 2007 - 12:36 PM
- - vg30dett93   This ones by FULL-RACE.COM it says it will fit fwd...   Jan 5, 2007 - 12:51 PM
|- - 94_st_hatchback   QUOTE(vg30dett93 @ Jan 5, 2007 - 12...   Jan 6, 2007 - 6:12 PM
|- - presure2   QUOTE(94_st_hatchback @ Jan 6, 2007 - 6...   Jan 6, 2007 - 6:16 PM
- - Punisher   Ya that AT has a 3rd gen in her... that is the onl...   Jan 6, 2007 - 1:00 AM
|- - Gary   QUOTE(Punisher @ Jan 6, 2007 - 1:00 ...   Jan 6, 2007 - 9:17 AM
- - NuclearHappineS   go to honda-tech and do a search for 'sidewind...   Jan 6, 2007 - 9:36 AM
- - hitcachi   I never really seen anything quite like that befor...   Jan 6, 2007 - 2:07 PM
- - playr158   meh, all those pipes do is act as a radiator loosi...   Jan 6, 2007 - 3:35 PM
- - jgreening   I'm sure you know better than the craftsman th...   Jan 6, 2007 - 5:47 PM
- - lagos   looks like they do really high quality work. the...   Jan 6, 2007 - 5:52 PM
- - Punisher   That full race manifold will work fine.. that is h...   Jan 6, 2007 - 11:53 PM
|- - Gary   QUOTE(Punisher @ Jan 6, 2007 - 11:53...   Jan 7, 2007 - 12:19 AM
|- - Punisher   QUOTE(Gary @ Jan 7, 2007 - 12:19 AM)...   Jan 7, 2007 - 1:15 AM
- - MaskedMan   How come in the first pic his valve cover (and may...   Jan 7, 2007 - 12:13 AM
- - playr158   QUOTE(jgreening @ Jan 6, 2007 - 5:47...   Jan 7, 2007 - 3:16 PM
- - jgreening   Ah yes, the infamous post by RickyB from 2004 wher...   Jan 7, 2007 - 3:46 PM
- - CilverSeliST205   This is a very informative thread, I never ran acr...   Jan 8, 2007 - 5:04 PM
- - playr158   QUOTE(jgreening @ Jan 7, 2007 - 3:46...   Jan 8, 2007 - 11:34 PM
- - Punisher   I think that manifold was done to fit that turbo m...   Jan 9, 2007 - 7:48 PM
|- - jgreening   QUOTE(Punisher @ Jan 9, 2007 - 6:48 ...   Jan 10, 2007 - 1:24 AM
|- - Punisher   QUOTE(jgreening @ Jan 10, 2007 - 1:2...   Jan 10, 2007 - 11:14 AM
- - lagos   QUOTE(jgreening @ Jan 10, 2007 - 1:2...   Jan 10, 2007 - 4:54 PM
- - azian_advanced   another similar exhaust manifold iono, just found ...   Feb 25, 2007 - 12:42 AM
- - playr158   thats your standard looking E-bay POS.. the fall a...   Feb 26, 2007 - 12:21 AM
- - Bigmeanbulldog55   I can't see an up-pipe adding that much to a t...   Feb 26, 2007 - 12:26 AM
- - x_itchy_b_x   it has do do with the pulses of exhaust gas hittin...   Feb 26, 2007 - 8:18 AM
- - tufy   manifold is very important. its not only shape thi...   Feb 28, 2007 - 5:36 AM


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