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post Feb 5, 2007 - 11:14 PM
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why am i making this thread? after seeing K-ESD's completed v6 swap, i started looking into it as an option. the v6 swap has been a popular swap in mk1 and mk2 mr2's for a while now. v6 swap information is relatively sparse for the celica community, and i want to help change that. seems to me that too many people here jump on the 3sgte bandwagon without really exploring their options. there is a reason that owners of mk2 mr2 turbos are swapping out there 3sgte in favor of a v6. a v6 (by nature of its increased displacement) will give more low rpm torque than a 3sgte will stock for stock, and such, it makes a great daily driver. with relatively moderate modifications, a v6 can be made to produce huge hp with a wide powerband. and the best part, these engine are a dime a dozen. use www.car-part.com to find them locally in salvage yards for cheap. now there are a lot of options for a swap: 3vzfe, 5vzfe, 1mzfe, 3mzfe being the most popular. i myself plan on doing this swap either summer 07 or summer 08. i will be updating this thread with lots of info ive gathered, and it will be regularly checked checked for accuracy and clarity.

purpose of this post is to generate interest in the v6 swap and to provide a one-stop place to compile general and 6gc-specific v6 swap information.

Engine Information:

3VZ-FE:
-3.0L
-cast iron block
-factory engine girdle
-overbuilt internals
-OBD 1
-return type fuel system
-non interference
-distributor ignition
-engine hp/trq
*185hp @ 5200rpm / 195ftlb @ 4400rpm
-found in USDM
*92-93 Toyota Camry
*92-93 Lexus ES 300

1MZ-FE:
-3.0L
-aluminum alloy block
-lightweight internals
-OBD 2
-returnless fuel system 97+
-non interference for non-VVTi, interference for VVTi
-COP ignition
-multiport fuel injection
-forged powdered metal fracture split connecting rod
-drive by wire certain models/years
-engine hp/trq (several revisions)
*94-96: 188hp @ 5200rpm / 203ftlb @ 4400rpm
*97+: 192hp @ 5300rpm / 209ftlb @ 4400rpm
*97+ (solara specific): 200hp @ 5200rpm / 214lbft @ 4400rpm (gains from improved exhaust/intake plumbing)
*99+ with VVTi: 210hp @ 5800rpm / 220ftlb @ 4400rpm
-found in USDM
*94-06 Toyota Camry
*99-03 Toyota Solara
*97-01 Lexus ES 300
*99-03 Lexus RX 300
*95-04 Toyota Avalon
*98-03 Toyota Sienna
-vehicles with VVTi 1mzfe
*03-06 Toyota Camry
*00-04 Toyota Avalon
*01-03 Toyota Highlander
*99-01 Lexus ES 300
*99-03 Lexus RX 300
*01-03 Toyota Sienna

3MZ-FE:
-3.3L
-aluminum alloy block
-VVTi equipped
-shares many components with 1MZ-FE
-sequential fuel injection
-forged steel connecting rod
-drive by wire
-engine hp/trq
*225hp @ 5600rpm / 240ftlb @ 3600rpm
-found in USDM
*04-06 Toyota Camry SE V6
*04- Toyota Camry Solara
*04-06 Toyota Sienna
*03- Toyota Highlander
*03-06 Lexus RX 330
*06- Lexus RX 400h
*04-06 Lexus ES 330

Transmission Information:

Manual Transmissions:

S-54: 3.285, 1.960, 1.322, 1.028, 0.820 / FD: 3.944, 4.176
-3.944 diff found in JDM/UK 2nd and 3rd gen 3S-GE
-4.176 diff found in MK2 MR2 NA and 6gc GT
S-51: 3.538, 1.960, 1.250, 0.945, 0.731 / FD: 3.944
- found in I4 Camry
E-153: 3.230, 1.913, 1.258, 0.918, 0.731 / FD: 3.933, 4.285
-3.933 diff found in V6 Camry
-4.285 diff found in MK2 MR2 turbo
-V6 E-153 upgraded from 2 to 3 synchros 93+

Automatic Transmissions:

A-541E:
A-140E:

Swap Troubleshooting and Guides: to come

Dynos and Engine Specifications:
3VZ-FE vs 1MZ-FE
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94 1MZ-FE vs 97 1MZ-FE
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97 1MZ-FE vs 99 1MZ-FE with VVTi
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VVTi 1MZ-FE vs 3MZ-FE
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V6 Discussion Forums:
-mr2boards
-mr2oc (membership required)

6gc V6 Swaps:
-K-ESD with 3MZ-FE
-1MZ-FE swap (pics only)

Pictures
3VZ-FE vs Eagle 22R vs 1MZ-FE
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This post has been edited by celicaST: Mar 1, 2007 - 8:03 AM


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post Feb 6, 2007 - 3:06 PM
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hmm .. a few notes ..

i highly reccommend getting a manual ecu 1mz or at least 94-95 1mz due to less wiring and will blend better with 94-99 celica ..

auto tranny for v6 may work if you have a auto but front and rear mounts may be an issue have not confirmed for all you auto 6gc's

some 1mz ecu's have immobilizer and some dont .. you have no way of knowing until it is plugged in but they are out there .. if you buy a motor get the vin from car and dealer can run a check on it to see if it have immobilizer ..

if you are not good with wiring then forget this swap .. 10-15 hours of wiring work or more ..

here are some things to note ..

custom y-pipe must be made and dont waste time using oem gt/st exhaust ..

forget about using 5sfe tranny .. mr2 guys breaking these trannies and it is half ass anyway.. just get a proper solara tranny with rear 205 mount .. all 205 if possible .. use poly mounts as well as motor torque will make engine move and hit rad .. uise 205 cable as well ..

have to use a ST throttle cable as it will bolt right to t/b but will need to mod bracket a bit ..

there is a lot more... full write up with pix coming in next few weeks . i am 33 and been working on toyota engine for years so any info i give is coming from my experience working on this swap and others and will be a complete as possible .. i will say done right this motor looks like oem install .. fool just about anyone .

NOTE .. ANYONE WHO WANTS TO SAVE TIME AND MONEY PM I HAVE 1MZ AND 3MZ PASS SIDE ADPATER PLATE FOR SALE .. .. YOU USE PASS SIDE FRAME MOUNT AND PART OF 5SFE MOUNT AND THEN MY PLATE BOLTED TO 1MZ/3MZ .. $20 SHIPPED .. MAKES ENGINE A BOLT IN AFFAIR WITH 205 MOUNTS ON SOLARA TRANNY ..

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Posts in this topic
- celicaST   the v6 swap information thread   Feb 5, 2007 - 11:14 PM
- - My2Celi   I've researched a bit and I leaning toward the...   Feb 5, 2007 - 11:35 PM
|- - celicaST   QUOTE(My2Celi @ Feb 5, 2007 - 9:35 P...   Feb 5, 2007 - 11:41 PM
- - j0e_p3t   man, forget my beams swap. i now want a 99+ 1mzfe.   Feb 6, 2007 - 1:29 AM
- - Bigmeanbulldog55   Seems a no brainer to me to go with a 04+ 1mzfe. ...   Feb 6, 2007 - 9:02 AM
|- - Rayme   QUOTE(Bigmeanbulldog55 @ Feb 6, 2007 - 1...   Feb 6, 2007 - 10:52 AM
- - FORGMANN   hmm .. a few notes .. i highly reccommend getti...   Feb 6, 2007 - 3:06 PM
- - jdg371   the V series engine is best for Forced Induction. ...   Feb 6, 2007 - 3:27 PM
- - FORGMANN   correction make that 3 .. and btw there is just e...   Feb 6, 2007 - 3:37 PM
|- - Batman722   QUOTE(FORGMANN @ Feb 6, 2007 - 3:37 ...   Feb 7, 2007 - 2:43 AM
|- - Chanh55   Nice write up.   Feb 7, 2007 - 6:18 PM
|- - snapshotgt   I think we need another teaser pic bwahahaha   Apr 23, 2007 - 4:42 PM
- - azian_advanced   ^nice.   Feb 7, 2007 - 2:33 AM
- - j0e_p3t   more pics!   Feb 7, 2007 - 2:48 AM
- - FORGMANN   here is y pipe .. you have to run something simila...   Feb 8, 2007 - 1:32 PM
- - laff09   isnt 13 an unlucky number?   Feb 9, 2007 - 2:30 PM
- - celicaST   new and revised info added   Mar 1, 2007 - 7:48 AM
- - j0e_p3t   bump   Apr 8, 2007 - 2:37 PM
- - Punch   nice you should do one on boost , there a afew so...   Apr 8, 2007 - 3:04 PM
|- - snapshotgt   QUOTE(Punch @ Apr 8, 2007 - 3:04 PM)...   Apr 10, 2007 - 4:12 PM
- - Kwanza26   If it were me doing this swap... 1/3MZ or nothing....   Apr 10, 2007 - 3:08 PM
|- - celicaST   QUOTE(Kwanza26 @ Apr 10, 2007 - 2:08...   Apr 11, 2007 - 2:48 AM
|- - Kwanza26   QUOTE(celicaST @ Apr 11, 2007 - 7:48...   Apr 11, 2007 - 10:11 AM
- - stephen_lee   I'm planning on swapping in a 5VZ-FE into my 9...   Apr 10, 2007 - 4:55 PM
- - FORGMANN   the one issue you may have is the height of motor ...   Apr 10, 2007 - 7:35 PM
- - stephen_lee   Hmm, okay. i was leaning towards the 3MZ at first,...   Apr 10, 2007 - 9:42 PM
- - My2Celi   How did you fabricate your adapter plate? Will it ...   Apr 10, 2007 - 10:59 PM
- - Celicaguy13   Awesome! more v6 celicas. I'm planning to ...   Apr 10, 2007 - 11:44 PM
- - FORGMANN   guys i will tell you the absolute best set up is a...   Apr 11, 2007 - 4:29 PM
|- - celicaST   QUOTE(FORGMANN @ Apr 11, 2007 - 3:29...   Apr 12, 2007 - 2:48 AM
- - FORGMANN   btw here is a 4g swap .. overall most info can ...   Apr 11, 2007 - 4:33 PM
- - FORGMANN   yes and no .. 96-98 would be "better" ...   Apr 12, 2007 - 10:28 AM
- - stephen_lee   Well, i've decided on the 3VZ-FE. Does anyone ...   Apr 23, 2007 - 2:50 PM
- - Jeremiah   Okay, as a newb and as someone that lives in the N...   Apr 23, 2007 - 7:40 PM
- - Celicaguy13   wow due your getting your info from an old site......   Apr 25, 2007 - 8:58 PM
- - j0e_p3t   ^ so that's all i have to do after the swap is...   Apr 30, 2007 - 10:21 PM
|- - Jeremiah   Can anyone tell me which V6's had the sludge p...   May 1, 2007 - 6:26 PM
|- - celicaST   QUOTE(Jeremiah @ May 1, 2007 - 5:26 ...   May 5, 2007 - 2:10 AM
- - stephen_lee   im not sure which engines had the problem, but its...   May 3, 2007 - 11:52 PM
- - My2Celi   Well it doesn't matter just get either a 3vz, ...   May 4, 2007 - 12:00 AM
- - Celicaguy13   QUOTE(j0e_p3t @ Apr 30, 2007 - 10:21...   May 4, 2007 - 10:47 AM
|- - Kwanza26   QUOTE(Celicaguy13 @ May 4, 2007 - 3...   May 7, 2007 - 10:01 PM
- - j0e_p3t   but obd2 should be no prob right? i'm planning...   May 5, 2007 - 1:55 AM
- - Celicaguy13   QUOTE(j0e_p3t @ May 5, 2007 - 1:55 A...   May 5, 2007 - 7:40 PM
|- - j0e_p3t   QUOTE(Celicaguy13 @ May 5, 2007 - 5...   May 8, 2007 - 2:04 AM
- - undasighted   QUOTE(FORGMANN @ Feb 6, 2007 - 8:37 ...   May 6, 2007 - 11:37 AM
- - CelicaST_CALI   Ok im also in cali and u say that all of the engin...   May 6, 2007 - 1:01 PM
- - Celicaguy13   I don't know how to actually import the car. H...   May 8, 2007 - 3:53 AM
- - Celicaguy13   QUOTE(Kwanza26 @ May 7, 2007 - 10:01...   May 8, 2007 - 3:57 AM
- - Jeremiah   Look - Hit up the DMV web site, or go to the DMV f...   May 9, 2007 - 2:55 PM
|- - Celicaguy13   QUOTE(Jeremiah @ May 9, 2007 - 2:55 ...   May 9, 2007 - 3:54 PM
||- - Kwanza26   QUOTE(Celicaguy13 @ May 9, 2007 - 8...   May 9, 2007 - 8:48 PM
||- - Jeremiah   QUOTE(Celicaguy13 @ May 9, 2007 - 3...   May 10, 2007 - 12:47 AM
|- - celicaST   QUOTE(Jeremiah @ May 9, 2007 - 1:55 ...   May 10, 2007 - 12:57 AM
|- - Jeremiah   QUOTE(celicaST @ May 10, 2007 - 12:5...   May 10, 2007 - 5:27 AM
- - CelicaST_CALI   lol amen to the mocking of the auto!!...   May 9, 2007 - 5:24 PM
- - FORGMANN   if you guys noticed that 1mz swap done in Uk was a...   May 10, 2007 - 11:23 AM
- - Eds94GT   I found the engine I want in by 6gc!!...   May 27, 2007 - 9:24 AM
- - snapshotgt   Teaser video   May 30, 2007 - 11:57 AM
- - stephen_lee   I'm definitely going with the 3VZ-FE, for a fe...   May 31, 2007 - 1:09 AM
- - stephen_lee   Quoted $7500 from the Doc. a little more than...   Jun 3, 2007 - 2:48 PM
- - My2Celi   My input would be You need: Motor: 3vzfe, 4vzfe, ...   Jun 4, 2007 - 12:25 AM
|- - stephen_lee   QUOTE(My2Celi @ Jun 4, 2007 - 5:25 A...   Jun 4, 2007 - 12:29 AM
|- - praetor   QUOTE(stephen_lee @ Jun 4, 2007 - 3...   Aug 4, 2007 - 10:08 PM
- - My2Celi   yup. Who else on here is doing the swap or plannin...   Jun 4, 2007 - 12:03 PM
- - stephen_lee   i really think the swaps are worth it. yes 4cyl a...   Jun 4, 2007 - 12:09 PM
- - Jeremiah   As long as the total cost of the project is under ...   Jun 7, 2007 - 5:17 PM
- - 6strngs   So, if you got a 1mzfe from a 94-97camry, it'l...   Aug 12, 2008 - 1:47 AM
- - Legit94GT   So buying the v6 is way cheaper than doing a 3s......   Aug 12, 2008 - 7:48 PM
- - 3SGTE-auto   I have a Celica and it was a 2.2L Automatic when I...   Sep 13, 2008 - 5:49 PM
|- - palooke   QUOTE (3SGTE-auto @ Sep 13, 2008 - ...   Sep 17, 2008 - 1:32 PM
- - 3SGTE-auto   Dear Palooke, I thought people on this forum migh...   Sep 17, 2008 - 11:39 PM
|- - palooke   QUOTE (3SGTE-auto @ Sep 17, 2008 - ...   Sep 18, 2008 - 5:06 PM
- - 3SGTE-auto   Dear Palooke, Yes, I could start a thread on moun...   Sep 18, 2008 - 10:19 PM
- - BonzaiCelica   is this not stickied?   Oct 6, 2013 - 2:04 PM
- - Smaay   lots of mis information in this thread. I dont thi...   Oct 6, 2013 - 5:47 PM
|- - fatherof4   QUOTE (Smaay @ Oct 6, 2013 - 6:47 PM...   Oct 6, 2013 - 10:33 PM
- - kevin311   I agree with Smaay. Just from what I've learne...   Oct 8, 2013 - 8:55 AM
- - Smaay   i think im going to do it in parts. Part I engi...   Oct 9, 2013 - 5:35 PM
- - CAcelica29   QUOTE (Smaay @ Oct 9, 2013 - 5:35 PM...   Dec 14, 2013 - 4:11 PM
- - njccmd2002   Part 1 is done.....   Dec 14, 2013 - 4:39 PM
- - CAcelica29   ^^^im aware, just really want to know when abouts ...   Dec 15, 2013 - 3:51 AM
|- - ILoveMySilly97   QUOTE (CAcelica29 @ Dec 15, 2013 - 12...   Jan 1, 2014 - 2:00 PM
- - Smaay   read my V6 thread for more info. Its going to be a...   Dec 15, 2013 - 3:46 PM


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