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post Feb 4, 2007 - 7:19 PM
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hey i was just curious but would a lotus engine be able to fit and run in our celicas since the engine is toyota based. i know it would be super expensive, but i was just wondering when i was reading a magazine with a lotus in there that, would it be possible.
 
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post Feb 5, 2007 - 8:05 PM
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So what's the problem with the motor? It's 160whp in a 2400-2500lbs car. Sounds like a good idea. If you just drive around town, it's probably not for you, but then neither is a turbo.

btw: That can't be a acurate messure of torque from that motor. There's no way it goes from 113 down to 97, and then back up to 120.

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post Feb 5, 2007 - 8:11 PM
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QUOTE(Bigmeanbulldog55 @ Feb 6, 2007 - 1:05 AM) [snapback]524226[/snapback]

So what's the problem with the motor? It's 160whp in a 2400-2500lbs car. Sounds like a good idea. If you just drive around town, it's probably not for you, but then neither is a turbo.

btw: That can't be a acurate messure of torque from that motor. There's no way it goes from 113 down to 97, and then back up to 120.

This is a worse looking dyno graph than usual... but it's pretty typical the way lift works. Even TVIS shows a dip in torque during the crossover... but typically the torque starts to dip as the primary cams reach their maximum efficiency then the lift lobes cause a bit of overlap resulting in a slight torque dip... then it picks up again as the air catches up to the engine... not to mention fuelling has the catch up also. It's not really noticeable though... cause when lift hits... (VTEC!) the engine screams and you pretty much feel an instant jolt of about 50hp...

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post Feb 6, 2007 - 9:39 PM
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QUOTE(Kwanza26 @ Feb 5, 2007 - 9:11 PM) [snapback]524229[/snapback]

QUOTE(Bigmeanbulldog55 @ Feb 6, 2007 - 1:05 AM) [snapback]524226[/snapback]

So what's the problem with the motor? It's 160whp in a 2400-2500lbs car. Sounds like a good idea. If you just drive around town, it's probably not for you, but then neither is a turbo.

btw: That can't be a acurate messure of torque from that motor. There's no way it goes from 113 down to 97, and then back up to 120.

This is a worse looking dyno graph than usual... but it's pretty typical the way lift works. Even TVIS shows a dip in torque during the crossover... but typically the torque starts to dip as the primary cams reach their maximum efficiency then the lift lobes cause a bit of overlap resulting in a slight torque dip... then it picks up again as the air catches up to the engine... not to mention fuelling has the catch up also. It's not really noticeable though... cause when lift hits... (VTEC!) the engine screams and you pretty much feel an instant jolt of about 50hp...


It's not a baaaad engine, it just does not live up to the expectaions most had for this engine(The whole point of this engines existance was to beat out all competition, didn't really happen). If I had a 7th gen Celica or Mrk III MR2 withthis engine already in place, I would be happy smile.gif I just do not believe this engine is a good canidate for a swap other than the "Hey, look what I did" factor.

Yes, that dyno is really crappy, a good check to see if a dyno is real is to see if HP and Tourque intersect at 5252rpm, HP and Torque are derivatives of eachother, and no matter what HP=Torque at 5252rpm

Posts in this topic
- celiman5   lotus engine   Feb 4, 2007 - 7:19 PM
- - purplegt4   it's a beefed 2zz-ge. maybe search around the ...   Feb 4, 2007 - 7:34 PM
- - j0e_p3t   its the same engine as the 7gc gts. imo, too much ...   Feb 4, 2007 - 7:56 PM
- - jdg371   Lotus Elise is 190hp you could get that engine fr...   Feb 4, 2007 - 8:29 PM
- - Bigmeanbulldog55   I think it's a good option for a swap. Very d...   Feb 4, 2007 - 9:17 PM
- - Bitter   http://videos.streetfire.net/search/coroll...86301...   Feb 4, 2007 - 9:42 PM
|- - JesterDC   The 2ZZ is an extremely peaky engine, it has NO bo...   Feb 4, 2007 - 10:14 PM
|- - Bitter   QUOTE(JesterDC @ Feb 4, 2007 - 10:14...   Feb 5, 2007 - 1:18 AM
|- - JesterDC   QUOTE(Bitter @ Feb 5, 2007 - 2:18 AM...   Feb 5, 2007 - 7:22 PM
|- - Kwanza26   QUOTE(JesterDC @ Feb 6, 2007 - 12:22...   Feb 5, 2007 - 8:07 PM
- - playr158   someone needs to swap in a hyabusa engine into the...   Feb 4, 2007 - 11:36 PM
|- - BLINKYxMUNKEY   QUOTE(playr158 @ Feb 4, 2007 - 11:36...   Feb 4, 2007 - 11:45 PM
- - playr158   QUOTE(BLINKYxMUNKEY @ Feb 4, 2007 - 11...   Feb 4, 2007 - 11:55 PM
- - Bigmeanbulldog55   So what's the problem with the motor? It...   Feb 5, 2007 - 8:05 PM
|- - Kwanza26   QUOTE(Bigmeanbulldog55 @ Feb 6, 2007 - 1...   Feb 5, 2007 - 8:11 PM
|- - JesterDC   QUOTE(Kwanza26 @ Feb 5, 2007 - 9:11 ...   Feb 6, 2007 - 9:39 PM
- - Bitter   when the lift point is lowered to 5700 rpm and the...   Feb 6, 2007 - 10:27 PM
- - purplegt4   that was only for the corolla xrs motor right?   Feb 8, 2007 - 2:28 AM
|- - Bitter   QUOTE(purplegt4 @ Feb 8, 2007 - 2:28...   Feb 8, 2007 - 6:16 PM
- - Negative   Yeah but there is something different about the EC...   Feb 8, 2007 - 6:28 PM
|- - Bitter   QUOTE(Negative @ Feb 8, 2007 - 6:28 ...   Feb 8, 2007 - 7:54 PM
- - Consynx   retuned 2zz to get 10more hp or w/e and raised red...   Feb 8, 2007 - 6:33 PM
|- - Bigmeanbulldog55   QUOTE(Consynx @ Feb 8, 2007 - 6:33 P...   Feb 8, 2007 - 8:19 PM
|- - urbandork   QUOTE(Bigmeanbulldog55 @ Feb 9, 2007 - 1...   Feb 9, 2007 - 2:39 AM
|- - Bigmeanbulldog55   QUOTE(urbandork @ Feb 9, 2007 - 2:39...   Feb 9, 2007 - 2:57 AM
- - Consynx   iunno... i can't find a site that lists all we...   Feb 9, 2007 - 11:11 AM
|- - JesterDC   QUOTE(Consynx @ Feb 9, 2007 - 12:11 ...   Feb 10, 2007 - 4:28 PM
- - Bitter   iirc the 6th gen celica hatch and 7th gen corolla ...   Feb 10, 2007 - 4:59 PM
- - lagos   if you want a 2zz powered celica, why not just buy...   Feb 10, 2007 - 5:09 PM
|- - Bigmeanbulldog55   QUOTE(lagos @ Feb 10, 2007 - 5:09 PM...   Feb 10, 2007 - 5:30 PM
- - devilsden97   QUOTE(lagos @ Feb 10, 2007 - 5:09 PM...   Feb 10, 2007 - 5:15 PM
- - lagos   QUOTEOn top of that, you can still buy a wrecked c...   Feb 10, 2007 - 9:59 PM
|- - Bigmeanbulldog55   QUOTE(lagos @ Feb 10, 2007 - 9:59 PM...   Feb 10, 2007 - 11:56 PM
- - purplegt4   QUOTE(Bitter @ Feb 6, 2007 - 10:27 P...   Feb 11, 2007 - 12:34 AM
- - block   a 6th gen celica hatch is 2400lbs a 6th gen celica...   Feb 11, 2007 - 9:34 PM
- - SlickRick   the 2zz in the Elise and Exige is the same, with j...   Feb 18, 2007 - 3:44 AM
|- - alltracman78   QUOTE(SlickRick @ Feb 18, 2007 - 3:4...   Mar 24, 2007 - 12:22 PM
|- - SlickRick   There is no such thing as secondary camshafts in a...   Mar 27, 2007 - 11:41 PM
|- - alltracman78   QUOTE(SlickRick @ Mar 27, 2007 - 11...   Mar 28, 2007 - 2:45 PM
- - SpyderGS   Sorry to bring up an old thread from a month ago, ...   Mar 24, 2007 - 8:52 AM


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