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post May 6, 2007 - 10:42 PM
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From the begining of my swap I've had low vac issues. I replaced hoses tightened everything up capped off holes.

I eliminated my AC and power steering. I have the hose for the AC idle up capped. Would I be better off capping the two PS vac lines?(current setup) Or should I connect them to each other with a hose. I'm close to having full vac, but its still alittle off.

Second thing, when I slow down and put the car into neutral the RMP's dip way below normal idle. After running at like say 650-750 rpm for a few seconds, it raises back to 1000 where its been since the begining of this project. Sometimes the car stalls, I looking for some suggestions or ideas.

I've checked timing, its set at 10d's.


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post May 7, 2007 - 8:13 PM
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QUOTE(lagos @ May 7, 2007 - 9:07 AM) [snapback]554911[/snapback]

a boost leak test will find leaks in the system. from vac lines to IC couplers. any vac/boost leaks on a 3s will play a big role in how the car idles, because youll always be sucking in air that the afm cant account for.



QUOTE(x_itchy_b_x @ May 7, 2007 - 9:37 AM) [snapback]554924[/snapback]

QUOTE(alltracman78 @ May 7, 2007 - 7:39 AM) [snapback]554901[/snapback]

A boost leak won't affect idle quality at all.
A vacuum leak will however..

That sounds like an oxymoron.


It's actually not.
A boost leak is when you have positive pressure leaking OUT of the engine system.
A vacuum leak is when you have negative pressure leaking out [air is getting sucked in]
Two totally different things.
A boost leak CANNOT cause idle problems because there is no boost at idle [3SGTE specific here].
A vacuum leak can and will cause problems at idle.

Most of the time if you have one, it will turn into the other once conditions change [from positive to negative pressure].
But it DOESN'T always happen that way. Sometimes an opening will only leak under one or the other.
A BOV/BPV is a perfect example. It's a [controlled] boost leak. As long as it's working right, it won't leak under vacuum [yes I know engine vacuum is used to help open it, but with a weaker spring it wouldn't be needed, and it's on the opposite side of the valve].
With rubber/silicone hoses you can have a cut or opening that will be forced closed by one condition [boost/vac] but forced open by the other.

In addition to this, boost leaks are normally check after the turbo.
Which totally ignores the AFM and hoses between it and the turbo.
And as most of you probably know, with the stock 3SGTE intake hoses there is a very common problem with the hose to the turbo cracking on the bottom.
With a normal boost check this would be ignored.

Which is why I differentiated the two. smile.gif



A couple of other things, in no particular order.

The JDM vacuum routing is actually quite different than USDM.
Differences include
no EGR
different TB hose routing
different ac hose routing
different charcoal canister hose routing

The charcoal canister DOES and IS supposed to vent to atmosphere.....
There are 3 lines.
one from the fuel tank
one to the TVV [USDM] or VSV [JDM]
one to the vent [vents right above the side to side crossmember]

The TVV is a Thermal Vacuum Valve, AKA a BVSV or Bimetal Vacuum Switching Valve. It is a thermally controlled valve. When it gets hot [in this particular case] it opens, allowing the engine to suck fumes from the charcoal canister.
JDM 3SGTEs don't have this. They have a VSV [electronic] on the side of their smaller charcoal canister.

As long as you have 18 - 22 in/hg you are fine.
Book says 15 - 22 in/hg, but IMO anything below 18 is a bit questionable.
Mine raised from 20 in/hg to 22 in/hg just by adding a MSD ignition.

So your first step is to get a GOOD pressure gauge and see where you're at.
If I can remember I'll bring mine from work on the 19th.
I'll show you the vacuum routing then too, I don't have a book diagram, but I have a 100% RC set at work right now.


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Posts in this topic
- defgeph   Few issues   May 6, 2007 - 10:42 PM
- - 95celgt   man, for some reason my 3s has crappy vac as well,...   May 6, 2007 - 11:03 PM
- - lagos   did you ever do a boost leak test?   May 6, 2007 - 11:13 PM
- - alltracman78   A boost leak won't affect idle quality at all....   May 7, 2007 - 6:39 AM
- - lagos   QUOTEA boost leak won't affect idle quality at...   May 7, 2007 - 9:07 AM
- - x_itchy_b_x   QUOTE(alltracman78 @ May 7, 2007 - 7...   May 7, 2007 - 9:37 AM
- - defgeph   I've done the boost leak test. I'm almost ...   May 7, 2007 - 9:39 AM
- - defgeph   John, at this point I'm not sure what my vac i...   May 7, 2007 - 9:44 AM
- - lagos   when you did your boost leak test, how many psi of...   May 7, 2007 - 9:46 AM
|- - defgeph   QUOTE(lagos @ May 7, 2007 - 10:46 AM...   May 7, 2007 - 9:54 AM
- - defgeph   Anybody have a vac diagram of a jdm 3sgte ? The ce...   May 7, 2007 - 9:58 AM
- - lagos   have you checked the rubber hose right under the t...   May 7, 2007 - 10:16 AM
|- - defgeph   QUOTE(lagos @ May 7, 2007 - 11:16 AM...   May 7, 2007 - 10:23 AM
- - lagos   there are bgb multimeter tests for the tps you can...   May 7, 2007 - 10:26 AM
|- - defgeph   QUOTE(lagos @ May 7, 2007 - 11:26 AM...   May 7, 2007 - 10:28 AM
- - x_itchy_b_x   http://opc.mr2oc.com/online_parts_catalog/...sgteV...   May 7, 2007 - 10:28 AM
- - lagos   QUOTE(defgeph @ May 7, 2007 - 11:28 ...   May 7, 2007 - 10:30 AM
- - defgeph   RE: Few issues   May 7, 2007 - 10:31 AM
- - defgeph   Ok I think I have this right. Some of these things...   May 7, 2007 - 10:41 AM
- - lagos   you charcole canister should not be vented to the ...   May 7, 2007 - 10:46 AM
|- - defgeph   QUOTE(lagos @ May 7, 2007 - 11:46 AM...   May 7, 2007 - 10:49 AM
- - lagos   i dont know about tvs and jet. jet seems like a fi...   May 7, 2007 - 11:04 AM
- - defgeph   I'll give it a shot. Being that I removed my ...   May 7, 2007 - 11:09 AM
- - lagos   if you dont have ac, then you should just totally ...   May 7, 2007 - 11:15 AM
- - x_itchy_b_x   I have all the tvis, tvsv, Power steering, and AC ...   May 7, 2007 - 11:15 AM
- - defgeph   All the AC parts are removed. I'm talking abou...   May 7, 2007 - 11:20 AM
- - lagos   you dont have to do anything with the wiring.   May 7, 2007 - 11:36 AM
- - brianforster   also i never trust the readings of vacuum on my bo...   May 7, 2007 - 1:51 PM
- - defgeph   Brian, whats the brand name of this inconsistent b...   May 7, 2007 - 3:59 PM
- - presure2   jeff the 3rd hose under your TB is your idle contr...   May 7, 2007 - 4:19 PM
|- - defgeph   QUOTE(presure2 @ May 7, 2007 - 5:19 ...   May 7, 2007 - 5:14 PM
- - presure2   Item Number MSRP Core Price Price 1734188381 ...   May 7, 2007 - 5:22 PM
- - brianforster   QUOTE(defgeph @ May 7, 2007 - 8:59 P...   May 7, 2007 - 7:03 PM
- - lagos   QUOTE(brianforster @ May 7, 2007 - 8...   May 7, 2007 - 7:14 PM
- - defgeph   This boost controller Is a real PITA I have ano...   May 7, 2007 - 7:25 PM
- - defgeph   I tryed converting KPA to figure out what -99 actu...   May 7, 2007 - 7:45 PM
- - alltracman78   QUOTE(lagos @ May 7, 2007 - 9:07 AM)...   May 7, 2007 - 8:13 PM
- - Culpable04   QUOTE(defgeph @ May 7, 2007 - 7:45 P...   May 7, 2007 - 8:36 PM
- - lagos   alltracman78.... i think what itchy was trying to...   May 7, 2007 - 9:52 PM
- - devilsden97   just read on   May 7, 2007 - 10:02 PM
- - x_itchy_b_x   meh, i didn't mean to split hairs. generally ...   May 7, 2007 - 10:03 PM
- - devilsden97   itchy. i didnt get 29.23 hg i got. -9.9 Kpa =...   May 7, 2007 - 10:10 PM
- - brianforster   it would be important to note here that the gauge ...   May 7, 2007 - 10:24 PM
|- - alltracman78   QUOTE(brianforster @ May 7, 2007 - 10...   May 7, 2007 - 10:31 PM
- - devilsden97   so move the decimal over one place to the right.   May 7, 2007 - 10:25 PM
- - alltracman78   QUOTE(lagos @ May 7, 2007 - 9:52 PM)...   May 7, 2007 - 10:26 PM
- - brianforster   QUOTE(alltracman78 @ May 8, 2007 - 3...   May 7, 2007 - 10:33 PM
|- - alltracman78   QUOTE(brianforster @ May 7, 2007 - 10...   May 7, 2007 - 10:54 PM
- - devilsden97   itchy and Brian, how did u get SUCH different numb...   May 7, 2007 - 10:37 PM
- - brianforster   for every 1 number that our gauge is reading (-99 ...   May 7, 2007 - 10:40 PM
- - brianforster   QUOTE(devilsden97 @ May 8, 2007 - 3...   May 7, 2007 - 10:48 PM
- - devilsden97   ^really? edit: -511.979225 mmHg = -20.1566624015...   May 7, 2007 - 10:49 PM
- - brianforster   i understand, it was a misunderstanding, but now t...   May 7, 2007 - 10:56 PM
- - defgeph   Brian, I'm wrong. I think your on the money wi...   May 7, 2007 - 10:58 PM
- - lagos   greddy really did a crappy job with this thing, hu...   May 7, 2007 - 11:04 PM
- - brianforster   not crappy , just lazy, its the same solenoid as t...   May 7, 2007 - 11:55 PM
- - Defgeph   I'm going to swap in some new plugs (bkr7e) th...   May 10, 2007 - 7:35 PM
- - alltracman78   Spray starting fluid around any suspected leaks. I...   May 10, 2007 - 10:54 PM
|- - Defgeph   QUOTE(alltracman78 @ May 10, 2007 - 11...   May 10, 2007 - 10:59 PM
- - Defgeph   Update: I checked the boost gauge as suggested by...   May 14, 2007 - 11:49 PM
- - celicast3sgte   aw man i was kinda curious if that was the case. i...   May 15, 2007 - 12:45 AM
- - lagos   QUOTE(Defgeph @ May 15, 2007 - 12:49...   May 15, 2007 - 12:34 PM
- - Defgeph   I have a brand new set in the glovebox ready to go...   May 15, 2007 - 2:49 PM
- - lagos   im gapped at 31 right now on bkr7e's and i don...   May 15, 2007 - 4:03 PM
- - Defgeph   I have it installed. I have to check what its read...   May 15, 2007 - 4:19 PM


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