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post Nov 21, 2007 - 10:49 PM
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i have a 1.8L and im not looking to make a swap. i want so bad to show that this little beast has power i plan a lot of do it my self modifications (worked as a machinist for a little while kindasad.gif ) any ideas to get me started? if u look at my profile you'll see the little i all ready have.
 
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post Nov 24, 2007 - 11:33 AM
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meh, for that kind of cash, i would just do the normal I,E, a couple degrees of timing advance, and throw in some cams
i would bet that would net you ~125-130whp, which out of a n/a 7a, wouldnt be bad at all, and would make the 7a feel much more "alive"
cheaper, and less hassle.


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post Nov 25, 2007 - 2:42 AM
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QUOTE(presure2 @ Nov 24, 2007 - 4:33 PM) [snapback]617125[/snapback]

meh, for that kind of cash, i would just do the normal I,E, a couple degrees of timing advance, and throw in some cams
i would bet that would net you ~125-130whp, which out of a n/a 7a, wouldnt be bad at all, and would make the 7a feel much more "alive"
cheaper, and less hassle.

I doubt 120-130whp... 120whp if you're lucky... but what then? At least with a 20V you have potential there to spin the engine for additional power, and various cam/piston options to work with. With a 7A... it's boost or nothing.

BTW... prices for a 20V swap can vary depending on how much you know and who you ask. 20V motor sets can range anywhere from 500-800 dollars, calculate in what you know and what you're capable of and that's your starting point. A front clip is NOT needed for this swap because there is plenty of documentation and substitutes for various parts.


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post Nov 25, 2007 - 7:02 AM
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QUOTE(Kwanza26 @ Nov 25, 2007 - 3:42 AM) [snapback]617269[/snapback]

QUOTE(presure2 @ Nov 24, 2007 - 4:33 PM) [snapback]617125[/snapback]

meh, for that kind of cash, i would just do the normal I,E, a couple degrees of timing advance, and throw in some cams
i would bet that would net you ~125-130whp, which out of a n/a 7a, wouldnt be bad at all, and would make the 7a feel much more "alive"
cheaper, and less hassle.

I doubt 120-130whp... 120whp if you're lucky... but what then? At least with a 20V you have potential there to spin the engine for additional power, and various cam/piston options to work with. With a 7A... it's boost or nothing.

BTW... prices for a 20V swap can vary depending on how much you know and who you ask. 20V motor sets can range anywhere from 500-800 dollars, calculate in what you know and what you're capable of and that's your starting point. A front clip is NOT needed for this swap because there is plenty of documentation and substitutes for various parts.

pistons/cams...then what bee...same thing as the 7a. boost.
btw, i DID say..120whp..-130...LMAO
the silvertop is no big deal IMO...if your gonna swap, swap in a 3s, and be done with it.


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post Nov 28, 2007 - 1:06 PM
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QUOTE(presure2 @ Nov 25, 2007 - 12:02 PM) [snapback]617291[/snapback]


pistons/cams...then what bee...same thing as the 7a. boost.
btw, i DID say..120whp..-130...LMAO
the silvertop is no big deal IMO...if your gonna swap, swap in a 3s, and be done with it.

Granted in the end if you want 200+ whp you'll want to go turbo in both cases... but if you're content with say 180whp... the 4AG is the way to go IMO.

QUOTE(97lestyousay @ Nov 28, 2007 - 12:33 AM) [snapback]617493[/snapback]

I would swap a 16v 4a before a silvertop, the small port makes almost as much power
stock, and aftermarket parts are much more available for the 16v.

I'd have to argue 16V parts are cheaper... but as far as parts quantity in general... both engines have a LOT of parts available. The argument between 20V and 16V goes like this. 20V has ITBs, under bucket shims, more valve surface overall, and is newer. The 16V will at least need a full valvetrain upgrade in order to compete... so IMO, 20V is vastly superior overall.


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- st18   1.8L power?   Nov 21, 2007 - 10:49 PM
- - jdg371   Its really hard to get power out of the 7AFE, espe...   Nov 21, 2007 - 11:19 PM
|- - st18   QUOTE(jdg371 @ Nov 21, 2007 - 11:19 ...   Nov 21, 2007 - 11:33 PM
- - jdg371   Try to locate near the fender, having it near the ...   Nov 21, 2007 - 11:50 PM
- - 3rdgen3SGTE   4age 20v swap is a good option don't spend mon...   Nov 23, 2007 - 11:27 AM
|- - Celicam8   QUOTE(3rdgen3SGTE @ Nov 23, 2007 - 11...   Nov 23, 2007 - 12:22 PM
|- - 94CelicaDragon   QUOTE(Celicam8 @ Nov 23, 2007 - 12:2...   Nov 23, 2007 - 2:01 PM
- - Jared95   If you really will not budge on a swap you can get...   Nov 23, 2007 - 11:44 AM
- - jdg371   Yes, coomer's Celica had a 4age 20Valve, a sil...   Nov 23, 2007 - 2:11 PM
|- - 94CelicaDragon   QUOTE(jdg371 @ Nov 23, 2007 - 2:11 P...   Nov 23, 2007 - 2:24 PM
- - 95CelicaST   QUOTEYes, coomer's Celica had a 4age 20Valve, ...   Nov 23, 2007 - 2:18 PM
- - 95CelicaST   QUOTESo how much Is the 4age? 4 G's? maybe if...   Nov 24, 2007 - 1:32 AM
|- - 94CelicaDragon   QUOTE(95CelicaST @ Nov 24, 2007 - 1...   Nov 24, 2007 - 11:33 AM
- - Celicam8   you can find the 4age 20v SilverTop for 800w/o tra...   Nov 24, 2007 - 11:20 AM
- - presure2   meh, for that kind of cash, i would just do the no...   Nov 24, 2007 - 11:33 AM
|- - st18   QUOTE(presure2 @ Nov 24, 2007 - 11:3...   Nov 24, 2007 - 4:18 PM
|- - Kwanza26   QUOTE(presure2 @ Nov 24, 2007 - 4:33...   Nov 25, 2007 - 2:42 AM
|- - presure2   QUOTE(Kwanza26 @ Nov 25, 2007 - 3:42...   Nov 25, 2007 - 7:02 AM
|- - Kwanza26   QUOTE(presure2 @ Nov 25, 2007 - 12:0...   Nov 28, 2007 - 1:06 PM
|- - Sinyk   This thread got so off track. Always sounds like...   Nov 28, 2007 - 1:20 PM
|- - st18   QUOTE(Sinyk @ Nov 28, 2007 - 1:20 PM...   Dec 1, 2007 - 11:55 PM
- - Celicam8   not if you are burning oil... thats the last thing...   Nov 24, 2007 - 11:51 AM
|- - presure2   QUOTE(Celicam8 @ Nov 24, 2007 - 12:5...   Nov 24, 2007 - 4:26 PM
|- - st18   QUOTE(presure2 @ Nov 24, 2007 - 4:26...   Nov 25, 2007 - 1:04 AM
- - netrata   Yeah, the 20v is a fun 1.6L engine. It may not be...   Nov 25, 2007 - 1:57 AM
- - 97lestyousay   I would swap a 16v 4a before a silvertop, the smal...   Nov 27, 2007 - 7:33 PM
- - thespacepanda   Well spoken...   Dec 2, 2007 - 12:03 AM
- - OOBE   That all sounds beautiful and heartwarming, but fo...   Dec 3, 2007 - 1:57 AM
|- - st18   QUOTE(OOBE @ Dec 3, 2007 - 1:57 AM) ...   Dec 3, 2007 - 10:51 PM
- - FortuneCookie   Very true what OOBE says. I am also one of those w...   Dec 3, 2007 - 5:46 AM
- - Kwanza26   Heheh... some people. Good luck...   Dec 3, 2007 - 8:25 PM
- - thespacepanda   I can't decide if this is truly epic or pure f...   Dec 4, 2007 - 5:23 PM
|- - Kwanza26   QUOTE(thespacepanda @ Dec 4, 2007 - 10...   Dec 4, 2007 - 5:39 PM
- - Havok1997GT   Dude, your car cant do it. if you wanted power yo...   Dec 5, 2007 - 12:18 AM
- - st18   well im going to give it a try ive been geting wit...   Dec 9, 2007 - 3:31 AM
- - rayneezy23   you do what you gotta do man, but my st is pretty ...   Dec 9, 2007 - 6:11 AM


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