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post Sep 28, 2003 - 12:58 AM
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i know the celica wont beat the SI but I was wondering if the celica would be at lest close to beating it?
 
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post Sep 30, 2003 - 2:09 PM
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QUOTE (jayi12-15psi @ Sep 30, 2003 - 11:55 AM)
even though the si's have 160 hp compared to the gt's 135, you have to remember that the si has a higher powerband. So unless the driver of the civic shifts right into or below the power band, the will lose alot of power with every shift. So even though the civic is quick, my celica has beaten many si civics, you can call me a liar, but their low end torque is just so fuggin weak the cant catch up. and as for civic ex's, even though they have 130 hp, st celicas should still be able to keep up, because just like their big brother(the si) they dont have torque.

That's not how it works... I'm sorry to say. You sound kinda funny explaining it that way. Remember...the Civic Si (99+) has an 8K redline... with vtec kick at about 6500 rpm. Per shift, he'll drop back to about 6000 rpm...and still be in his highest power range, and near his highest torque range, at about 6500 something rpms. As far as racing goes, IMO... if it's a drag race...torque definately will help on the launch, but Horsepower is what wins the top-end pull. That's why you don't see tractors drag racing Indy cars...

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- venomviper88   will a stock 96 celica beat a stock 99 civic SI?   Sep 28, 2003 - 12:58 AM
- - Matthew   race your friend or whoever and find out most peo...   Sep 28, 2003 - 1:43 AM
- - Mynzeyes   if it's an ST, no way. if it's a GT, a lit...   Sep 28, 2003 - 1:54 AM
- - Kwanza   The SI will walk all over you... 160hp compared to...   Sep 28, 2003 - 2:04 AM
- - kuya1284   It amuses me when people continue to ask these typ...   Sep 28, 2003 - 4:07 AM
- - 3FingersCelica   I have a 97 ST. I raced a 97 Civic SI. It was a ...   Sep 28, 2003 - 9:53 AM
- - Seth6Gen   QUOTE (3FingersCelica @ Sep 28, 2003 - 7:53 AM) I ...   Sep 28, 2003 - 1:57 PM
- - 3FingersCelica   You may be right about that. But I did see the en...   Sep 28, 2003 - 3:21 PM
- - 98celica3   ok, it all depends on the driver(if yours is a GT)...   Sep 28, 2003 - 4:32 PM
- - Matthew   i dont care what anyone says a 115hp car that we...   Sep 28, 2003 - 5:09 PM
- - 3FingersCelica   QUOTE (GT2GT4 @ Sep 28, 2003 - 10:09 PM) i dont ca...   Sep 28, 2003 - 6:04 PM
- - Kwanza   QUOTE (3FingersCelica @ Sep 28, 2003 - 4:04 PM) I ...   Sep 28, 2003 - 6:30 PM
- - 3FingersCelica   Last time I checked, the only Civic with a DOHC en...   Sep 28, 2003 - 8:11 PM
- - Hym3n   LMAO. With an ST, the real question you should...   Sep 28, 2003 - 11:07 PM
- - 95GTspeed   my friend has a 98 civic dx hatchback and its real...   Sep 28, 2003 - 11:58 PM
- - Matthew   yea civic hatchbacks are really quick because of h...   Sep 29, 2003 - 12:20 AM
- - Kwanza   QUOTE (3FingersCelica @ Sep 28, 2003 - 6:11 PM) La...   Sep 29, 2003 - 12:47 AM
- - 5sfeTurbo   lol..If that motor was the B16, the V-tech would w...   Sep 29, 2003 - 1:09 AM
- - 5sfeTurbo   No civic si's in 1997. They actually started ...   Sep 29, 2003 - 1:25 AM
- - boosted_K2   i think our STs need to worry about chevy malabus ...   Sep 29, 2003 - 2:09 AM
- - BlackSTX   Wouldn't the distance of the race make a diffe...   Sep 29, 2003 - 3:29 PM
- - kuya1284   QUOTE (BlackSTX @ Sep 29, 2003 - 1:29 PM) Wouldn...   Sep 29, 2003 - 4:03 PM
- - Chrobis   I raced a civic SI from a rolling 30 up to about 8...   Sep 29, 2003 - 4:46 PM
- - boosted_K2   QUOTE (Chrobis @ Sep 29, 2003 - 4:46 PM) I ra...   Sep 29, 2003 - 5:21 PM
- - Tenchi   QUOTE (3FingersCelica @ Sep 28, 2003 - 3:21 PM) Yo...   Sep 30, 2003 - 8:26 AM
- - jayi12-15psi   even though the si's have 160 hp compared to t...   Sep 30, 2003 - 1:55 PM
- - Kwanza   QUOTE (jayi12-15psi @ Sep 30, 2003 - 11:55 AM) eve...   Sep 30, 2003 - 2:09 PM
- - Tenchi   Kwanza is right, if I shift at 8000-8200 I land at...   Sep 30, 2003 - 2:14 PM
- - boosted_K2   theres so many factors that can play into a race, ...   Sep 30, 2003 - 2:25 PM
- - boosted_K2   A SS-ii or SS-iii would win, but not a USDM GT   Sep 30, 2003 - 2:26 PM
- - yep   why can't the 3s-ge be here in america, or at ...   Sep 30, 2003 - 7:13 PM
- - 94TRDCeli   I rode in my friends 99 si the other night..only m...   Oct 1, 2003 - 7:17 PM
- - Uppitycracker   Uhhhhhh my buddy has a black 1997 Civic Si, so how...   Oct 1, 2003 - 8:57 PM
- - 5sfeTurbo   check again   Oct 1, 2003 - 9:00 PM
- - Uppitycracker   Auto Trader Heres a link to the canadian auto tra...   Oct 1, 2003 - 9:06 PM
- - Kwanza   QUOTE (Uppitycracker @ Oct 1, 2003 - 6:57 PM) Uhhh...   Oct 2, 2003 - 1:08 AM
- - Tenchi   Yep, 99-00. There was no Si in 01 and the 02+ is ...   Oct 2, 2003 - 7:55 AM
- - DG_Performance   I would just like to say that before I turboed my ...   Oct 2, 2003 - 10:09 AM
- - Uppitycracker   QUOTE (DG_Performance @ Oct 2, 2003 - 8:09 AM) I w...   Oct 2, 2003 - 10:49 AM
- - Tenchi   Ah yes, the "torqueless wonder." Gotta ...   Oct 2, 2003 - 2:12 PM
- - CelicaStud   I don't know if this helps at all, but here go...   Oct 8, 2003 - 11:06 PM
- - Kwanza   QUOTE (CelicaStud @ Oct 8, 2003 - 9:06 PM) I don...   Oct 9, 2003 - 12:10 AM
- - kuya1284   QUOTE (Kwanza @ Oct 8, 2003 - 10:10 PM) QUOTE (Cel...   Oct 9, 2003 - 1:24 AM
- - CelicaStud   I'm pretty sure that the person I bought my ca...   Oct 27, 2003 - 11:32 PM
- - Matthew   no you shouldnt be doing better   Oct 27, 2003 - 11:59 PM
- - kuya1284   The fastest I was ever able to pull on a ST with e...   Oct 28, 2003 - 3:42 PM
- - NYCelica   Are you sure you're talking about the right ca...   Oct 28, 2003 - 10:11 PM
- - Digndoug   Alright not sure if this makes a diff to any ones ...   Oct 29, 2003 - 12:09 AM
- - Matthew   no offense to all the ST owners with stock engines...   Oct 29, 2003 - 12:16 AM
- - CupCrazy38   Well, b4 I bought my car I took it to Toyota. When...   Oct 29, 2003 - 12:18 AM
- - Digndoug   Ok, first off the dx only has 102 hp an 98 trq.......   Oct 29, 2003 - 12:23 AM
- - Matthew   haha nice buddy http://www.hondacars.com/models/m...   Oct 29, 2003 - 12:27 AM
- - Digndoug   Ok, this might help sorry my bro has a 94 civic dx...   Oct 29, 2003 - 12:29 AM
- - Matthew   well you didnt say that...we are comparing 96 celi...   Oct 29, 2003 - 12:32 AM
- - Digndoug   Yeah my bad, I got carried away with it , any dun-...   Oct 29, 2003 - 12:34 AM
- - 97sccelica   QUOTE (Matthew @ Oct 28, 2003 - 9:16 PM) no o...   Oct 29, 2003 - 12:35 AM
- - Kwanza   QUOTE (Digndoug @ Oct 28, 2003 - 10:23 PM) Ok, fir...   Oct 29, 2003 - 1:56 PM
- - Bigmeanbulldog55   so whats the point in owning a celica? there not f...   Oct 29, 2003 - 3:28 PM
- - Mynzeyes   QUOTE (Bigmeanbulldog55 @ Oct 29, 2003 - 2:28 PM) ...   Oct 29, 2003 - 3:41 PM
- - kuya1284   QUOTE (Mynzeyes @ Oct 29, 2003 - 1:41 PM) QUOTE (B...   Oct 29, 2003 - 5:32 PM
- - Aus   i've kicked enough civics ('si' - is t...   Oct 29, 2003 - 6:05 PM


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