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post Sep 16, 2003 - 8:52 PM
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anyone tell me the difference between the celica ss-iii and the GT

are they both 3sge?? (In the uk anyway!!)

what is beams???

and finally, whats the power difference, and can i put it on my 98 GT 3sge???


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post Jan 2, 2008 - 2:48 AM
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I have crated this list few month ago... maybe it will help smile.gif


JDM - Japan Domestic Market
(cars produced for Japan market)
2.0 SS-I
produced: 09/93 - 08/99
model: ST202-BLMGK (MTM), ST202-BLPGK (ATM)
engine: 3S-FE, 140BHP
more info: all models RHD, liftbacks
2.0 SS-I FWS
produced: 09/93 - 12/97
model: ST203-BLMGK (MTM), ST203-BLPGK (ATM)
engine: 3S-FE, 140BHP
more info: all models RHD, liftbacks
2.0 SS-II
produced: 09/93 - 08/99
model: ST202-BLMVF (MTM), ST202-BLPVF (ATM)
engine: 3S-GE, 170BHP
more info: all models RHD, liftbacks
2.0 SS-III
produced: 08/95 - 08/99
model: ST202-BLMZF (MTM), ST202-BLPZF (ATM)
engine: 3S-GE vvt-i, 210BHP
more info: all models RHD, liftbacks
2.0 convertible
produced: 08/94 - 12/97 (MTM), 08/94 - 05/99 (ATM)
model: ST202C-BKMVF (MTM), ST202C-BKPVF (ATM)
engine: 3S-GE, 170BHP
more info: all models RHD
2.0 GT-four
produced: 02/94 - 08/99
model: ST205-BLMVZ (MTM)
engine: 3S-GTE, 255BHP
more info: all models RHD, liftbacks

EDM - European Domestic Market
(cars produced for European market, UK included)
1.8 ST
produced: 11/93 - 08/99 (LHD), 11/93 - 08/99 (RHD)
model: AT200L-BLMSKW (LHD), AT200R-BLMSKW (RHD)
engine: 7A-FE, 115BHP
more info: all made MTM, liftbacks
2.0 GT
produced: 11/93 - 08/99
model: ST202L-BLMGFW (LHD), ST202R-BLMGFW (RHD)
engine: 3S-GE, 170BHP
more info: all made MTM, liftbacks
2.0 convertible
produced: 08/94 - 05/99
model: ST202L-BKMGFW (LHD), ST202R-BKMGFW (RHD)
engine: 3S-GE, 170BHP
more info: all made MTM
2.0 GT-four
produced: 02/94 - 06/96
model: ST205L-BLMVZW (LHD), ST205R-BLMVZW (RHD)
engine: 3S-GTE, 235BHP
more info: all made MTM, liftbacks

USDM - United States Domestic Market
(cars produced for American market)
1.8 ST Coupe
produced: 09/93 - 12/97
model: AT200L-BCMSKA (MTM), AT200L-BCPSKA (ATM)
engine: 7A-FE, 105BHP
more info: all models LHD
1.8 ST Liftback
produced: 09/93 - 12/97
model: AT200L-BLMSKA (MTM), AT200L-BLPSKA (ATM)
engine: 7A-FE, 105BHP
more info: all models LHD
2.2 GT Coupe, labeled as "GT-S"
produced: 09/93 - 12/97
model: ST204L-BCMGKA (MTM), ST204L-BCPGKA (ATM)
engine: 5S-FE, 135BHP
more info: all models LHD
2.2 ST Coupe, labeled as "GT"
produced: 12/97 - 08/98
model: ST204L-BCMSKA (MTM), ST204L-BCPSKA (ATM)
engine: 5S-FE, 135BHP
more info: all models LHD
2.2 GT Liftback, labeled as "GT"
produced: 09/93 - 12/97
model: ST204L-BLMGKA (MTM), ST204L-BLPGKA (ATM)
engine: 5S-FE, 135BHP
more info: all models LHD
2.2 ST Liftback, labeled as "GT"
produced: 12/97 - 08/99
model: ST204L-BLMSKA (MTM), ST204L-BLPSKA (ATM)
engine: 5S-FE, 135BHP
more info: all models LHD
2.2 GT Convertible
produced: 08/94 - 05/99
model: ST204L-BKMGKA (MTM), ST204L-BKPGKA (ATM)
engine: 5S-FE, 135BHP
more info: all models LHD

CDM - Canadian Domestic Market
(cars produced for Canadian market)
1.8 ST Liftback
produced: 09/93 - 06/96
model: AT200L-BLMSKK (MTM), AT200L-BLPSKK (ATM)
engine: 7A-FE, 105BHP
more info: all models LHD
2.2 GT Coupe, labeled as "GT-S"
produced: 09/93 - 08/95
model: ST204L-BCMGKK (MTM), ST204L-BCPGKK (ATM)
engine: 5S-FE, 135BHP
more info: all models LHD, "sport package" 5S-FE
2.2 GT Liftback, labeled as "GT-S"
produced: 09/93 - 08/99
model: ST204L-BLMGKK (MTM), ST204L-BLPGKK (ATM)
engine: 5S-FE, 135BHP
more info: all models LHD, "sport package" 5S-FE

ADM - Australian Domestic Market
(cars produced for Australian market)
2.2 ST, labeled as "SX"
code: ST204R-BLMSKQ (MTM), ST204-BLPSKQ (ATM)
engine: 5S-FE, 135BHP
more info: all models RHD, liftbacks
2.2 ST, labeled as "SX-R"
code: ST204R-BLMSKQ (MTM), ST204-BLPSKQ (ATM)
engine: 5S-FE, 135BHP
more info: all models RHD, liftbacks
2.2 ST, labeled as "ZR"
code: ST204R-BLMSKQ (MTM), ST204-BLPSKQ (ATM)
engine: 5S-FE, 135BHP
more info: all models RHD, liftbacks
2.0 GT-four
code: ??? (not sure: ST205R-BLMKQ or ST205R-BLMVKQ)
engine: 3S-GTE, 235BHP
more info: all models RHD, liftbacks and only 77 pieces (!?)


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post Jan 2, 2008 - 11:21 AM
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QUOTE(malpaso @ Jan 2, 2008 - 12:48 AM) [snapback]627329[/snapback]

2.0 SS-III
produced: 08/95 - 08/99
model: ST202-BLMZF (MTM), ST202-BLPZF (ATM)
engine: 3S-GE vvt-i, 210BHP
more info: all models RHD, liftbacks

2.2 GT Liftback, labeled as "GT"
produced: 09/93 - 12/97
model: ST204L-BLMGKA (MTM), ST204L-BLPGKA (ATM)
engine: 5S-FE, 135BHP
more info: all models LHD

2.2 ST Liftback, labeled as "GT"
produced: 12/97 - 08/99
model: ST204L-BLMSKA (MTM), ST204L-BLPSKA (ATM)
engine: 5S-FE, 135BHP
more info: all models LHD


ok 2 things i wanted to ask
according to this site and others i have talked to on the forum, not all ss-III have the B.E.A.M.S. 3s-ge with vvt-i. only the 98-99 models. the others only have a regular 3s-ge.
also i had a q about the usdm gt i quoted you about above. how is it a 2.2 st labeled as gt? that doesn't make sense to me. does that mean according to the us standards the gt title wouldn't actually fit? and what would be the difference between the gt labeled as gt and st labeled as gt? just the options that came from the factory?
the reason i ask is because according to your chart my 99 gt is actually only an st with the gt label all though it does have the same motor as the gt as well as many of the other features of the gt. just kinda confusing.


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post Jan 2, 2008 - 12:48 PM
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QUOTE(goferris @ Jan 2, 2008 - 4:21 PM) [snapback]627400[/snapback]

also i had a q about the usdm gt i quoted you about above. how is it a 2.2 st labeled as gt? that doesn't make sense to me. does that mean according to the us standards the gt title wouldn't actually fit? and what would be the difference between the gt labeled as gt and st labeled as gt?


The difference is that the -97 US model GT had a better trim level than the 98- US model GT. The latter has a trim level that Toyota Japan would consider to be the standard ("special") trim level.

QUOTE(Penkka @ Jan 2, 2008 - 4:55 PM) [snapback]627411[/snapback]

Isnīt that 175bhp? at least thats what my registration says biggrin.gif


It varies from country to country and year to year. I believe that for some years the official figures for the UK model was 167 or 169bhp.

This post has been edited by BloodyStupidDavey: Jan 2, 2008 - 12:52 PM


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post Jan 2, 2008 - 4:53 PM
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QUOTE(BloodyStupidDavey @ Jan 2, 2008 - 12:48 PM) [snapback]627431[/snapback]

QUOTE(Penkka @ Jan 2, 2008 - 4:55 PM) [snapback]627411[/snapback]

Isnīt that 175bhp? at least thats what my registration says biggrin.gif


It varies from country to country and year to year. I believe that for some years the official figures for the UK model was 167 or 169bhp.


I remember seeing something abougt this, that in JDM 3S-GE had 180bhp, but in Europe (including Finland and UK) would have had a 177bhp GT.

But did they sell those SS Celicas in UK? In finland there were only 3 models available; the 1.8 GSi, which has 115bhp, the 2.0 GT which has 175bhp and of course the GT-four.


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Posts in this topic
- Aus   ss-iii / ss-ii / GT ??????   Sep 16, 2003 - 8:52 PM
- - Supersprynt   Well in the US the GT has the 5sfe engine, while t...   Sep 16, 2003 - 10:09 PM
- - Coomer   In the UK, the GT is indeed powered by a 3S-GE. I ...   Sep 17, 2003 - 2:49 AM
- - celi94   YES AND NO!!! In belgium, germany, ne...   Sep 17, 2003 - 6:40 AM
- - Junior   If you want a 3sge without beam swaped into a 3sge...   Sep 17, 2003 - 4:55 PM
- - Rivo   You're not just changing the head. You're ...   Sep 18, 2003 - 2:14 PM
|- - Penkka   QUOTE(Rivo @ Sep 18, 2003 - 2:14 PM)...   Jan 1, 2008 - 9:02 AM
- - khye   SSII has the 3SGE engine (179bhp) the SSIII has th...   Sep 19, 2003 - 10:52 AM
|- - Shink   QUOTE(khye @ Sep 19, 2003 - 10:52 AM...   Jan 1, 2008 - 11:38 AM
- - Aus   ok, thanks 4 clearing that up!!   Sep 28, 2003 - 9:13 PM
- - celica_maori   Hey Khye its there much of a boost diffeence betwe...   Oct 8, 2003 - 3:23 PM
- - Aus   BLOODY HELL...talk about old topic!! I thi...   Jan 1, 2008 - 12:50 PM
|- - Shink   QUOTE(Aus @ Jan 1, 2008 - 12:50 PM) ...   Jan 1, 2008 - 12:58 PM
|- - BloodyStupidDavey   QUOTE(Shink @ Jan 1, 2008 - 5:58 PM)...   Jan 1, 2008 - 1:53 PM
|- - goferris   QUOTE(Shink @ Jan 1, 2008 - 10:58 AM...   Jan 1, 2008 - 2:07 PM
|- - BloodyStupidDavey   QUOTE(goferris @ Jan 1, 2008 - 7:07 ...   Jan 1, 2008 - 3:07 PM
- - ScratchandSniff   Did you guys know that the VVtl-i engine has been ...   Jan 1, 2008 - 6:25 PM
- - Rusty   so what else is different besides body work? (we h...   Jan 1, 2008 - 10:55 PM
- - malpaso   I have crated this list few month ago... maybe it ...   Jan 2, 2008 - 2:48 AM
|- - goferris   QUOTE(malpaso @ Jan 2, 2008 - 12:48 ...   Jan 2, 2008 - 11:21 AM
|- - BloodyStupidDavey   QUOTE(goferris @ Jan 2, 2008 - 4:21 ...   Jan 2, 2008 - 12:48 PM
|- - Penkka   QUOTE(BloodyStupidDavey @ Jan 2, 2008 - ...   Jan 2, 2008 - 4:53 PM
- - Penkka   EDM: 2.0 GT produced: 11/93 - 08/99 model: ST202L...   Jan 2, 2008 - 11:55 AM
- - Rusty   SS-II didn't have 170hp (maybe with vvt-i) vo...   Jan 2, 2008 - 12:06 PM
- - malpaso   Every info I have posted I have from Toyota EPC (E...   Jan 3, 2008 - 1:37 PM
- - projectcelica   SS-IIIs came with a LSD from factory also.   Jan 6, 2008 - 1:00 AM
- - Penkka   A guy told me that when a Celica has the 3S-GE it ...   Jan 6, 2008 - 8:16 AM
|- - Penkka   QUOTE(Penkka @ Jan 6, 2008 - 8:16 AM...   Jan 7, 2008 - 4:02 PM
- - Rusty   so what did the SSII get that was so special besid...   Jan 6, 2008 - 5:08 PM
- - projectcelica   Better trim and option extras, thats bout it I thi...   Jan 7, 2008 - 4:22 AM
- - GER-CELI   In germany we have the GT with 3sge Non facelift w...   Jan 17, 2008 - 11:37 AM
- - Penkka   I imported my car from Germany, though we have the...   Jan 17, 2008 - 1:49 PM
- - GER-CELI   your car is ī94, so you have the non-facelift with...   Jan 17, 2008 - 2:55 PM
|- - Penkka   QUOTE(GER-CELI @ Jan 17, 2008 - 2...   Jan 17, 2008 - 2:58 PM
- - ETNRIDER   Can someone post pics of the different models (SS-...   Feb 19, 2008 - 3:00 PM


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