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post Feb 7, 2008 - 6:24 PM
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ok guys. we all know what the 5sfte can do, equipped with a ct-based turbo, and moderate (10-~15psi) boost (180-~235whp)(i call it moderate boost, its all a "relitive" term..lol)
we know what shannons car made, @ ~11psi (~240whp) with the "ebay special" mismatched 50 trim T3/4
but, im interested in your thoughts on somthing a bit more reliable..lol
so lets start with a few turbos that we can easily adapt to our cars. (using the generic ebay adapter, or the ATS, or whatever adapter you can get your hands on..lol)
ok so, most of the adapters out there are T3 footprint, and by looking at what the mr2 guys are doing, anything sub 300whp is pretty much owned by the GT28rs aka the disco potato.
jgreening on this forum had the very first Speedsource 'rs kit, and made great power with it, along with super fast spool and response.
just going by that, it would seem like that it would be just as good a performer on the 5s, but, i have read curcumstances of 3rd gen guys having boost creep problems with it, which for us, would be death.
its an expensive turbo, @ ~1100, but it is true ball bearing, available in both a t25 and a t3 footprint, with other housing options as well.
for 270whp and above, we can start looking, again going by what the 3s guys use, (i mean hey, why not keep it simple, and go with things that are proven to start with...lol) we could go with somthing like what the ko racing "streetbrawler" kit uses, the T3/4 46 trim, with the .63 a/r turbine.
IMO i think we could spool this turbo by ~35-3800rpm, and even at low (8-10psi) boost, still make great power, and be 300whp+ capable with proper engine management, fuel ect.
i know alot of you guys would never think of droping 2k on half a turbo kit, but, in reality, for instance, somthing like the speedsource gt-28rs kit, which NONE of us could fabricate in our home garage,(carl does AMAZING work) that would "in theory" bolt on (other than all the other turbo stuff you would normally need), kinda makes me think otherwise about it.
i mean hell, even fabricating one up, out of one of those crappy ebay adapters could be made to work, just a matter of buying the proper parts, and welding up the DP ect.
what are your guys thoughts on this stuff???
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post Feb 8, 2008 - 8:18 PM
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I've got a few questions

1: will water cooling be necessary for a turbo other than CT26 as long as a turbo timer is used? I know it would be better, but I don't really understand how you get coolant to this turbo, you have to use some kind of banjo bolt kit?

2: wastegates, if I cheap out and get an ebay one with an 8 PSI spring, even though I really want to run 10-11 PSI, will it be ok? I choose the lower spring to give some head room in case it creeps, and I know it will. would replacing the spring in a cheap wastegate with a geniune Tial spring make it better?

3: is a 46 trim t3/t4 with the 0.63 A/R turbine gonna be the best size for the 5sfte? I want something that will support 300 WHP, but not much more because I don't want TOO much lag. if the turbo doesn't make full boost until 4K, then you've only got about 1K rpm of actual power before it starts pinging and becomes super slow and is bad for the engine. I plan to get water methanol injection, and then down the road an emanage ultimate. But, even with the CT26 I have on now, I was planning not to take it past 5200 RPM until I got water/methanol, since it had no power that high anyway I didn't see the need to go higher than that. plus I REALLY don't want to blow the engine.

4: should a restrictor still be run with this turbo?

I'll probably start ordering parts once these questions are answered. smile.gif I've decided that my wheels aren't coming for another few weeks, and I don't need to get them immidiately after they come in, so turbo goes in now, wheels come later.


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post Feb 9, 2008 - 6:40 AM
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QUOTE(6strngs @ Feb 8, 2008 - 8:18 PM) [snapback]639569[/snapback]

I've got a few questions

1: will water cooling be necessary for a turbo other than CT26 as long as a turbo timer is used? I know it would be better, but I don't really understand how you get coolant to this turbo, you have to use some kind of banjo bolt kit?

2: wastegates, if I cheap out and get an ebay one with an 8 PSI spring, even though I really want to run 10-11 PSI, will it be ok? I choose the lower spring to give some head room in case it creeps, and I know it will. would replacing the spring in a cheap wastegate with a geniune Tial spring make it better?

3: is a 46 trim t3/t4 with the 0.63 A/R turbine gonna be the best size for the 5sfte? I want something that will support 300 WHP, but not much more because I don't want TOO much lag. if the turbo doesn't make full boost until 4K, then you've only got about 1K rpm of actual power before it starts pinging and becomes super slow and is bad for the engine. I plan to get water methanol injection, and then down the road an emanage ultimate. But, even with the CT26 I have on now, I was planning not to take it past 5200 RPM until I got water/methanol, since it had no power that high anyway I didn't see the need to go higher than that. plus I REALLY don't want to blow the engine.

4: should a restrictor still be run with this turbo?

I'll probably start ordering parts once these questions are answered. smile.gif I've decided that my wheels aren't coming for another few weeks, and I don't need to get them immidiately after they come in, so turbo goes in now, wheels come later.

#1 yes, if it is watercooled. on most of them you choose either a oil cooled, or water and oil.
#2 DO NOT cheap out on a wastegate.
think about it, if that decides to take a crap on you, what happens when you step on the pedal? unlimited boost. that would bad. or, it could just start leaking, not opening correctly ect..all still bad IMO.
buy a REAL WG.
#3 do your homework, and figure it out.
there are figures in the sticky that allow you to plot your airflow need accross a compressor map, use it.
#4 yes. the T series restrictor you should be using with your ct-26 is made for "T" series turbos.


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- presure2   5SFTE larger turbo disscussion   Feb 7, 2008 - 6:24 PM
- - supershannon77   is someone getting a new turbo?   Feb 7, 2008 - 6:55 PM
- - lagos   It depends on what you want out of the car. Quick ...   Feb 7, 2008 - 6:58 PM
- - presure2   QUOTE(supershannon77 @ Feb 7, 2008 - 6...   Feb 8, 2008 - 6:47 AM
- - x_itchy_b_x   all i have to say is YES. Larger turbo will be mo...   Feb 8, 2008 - 8:02 AM
- - jcaron9gt4   i think all of us 5sfte guys would Love to put big...   Feb 8, 2008 - 11:40 AM
- - 6strngs   well, my ct-26 just blew the other day. kinda funn...   Feb 8, 2008 - 3:36 PM
- - lagos   QUOTEI don't know if that's what caused it...   Feb 8, 2008 - 3:42 PM
- - RichieRichJP   I'm in the process of turboing my 5sfe Camry w...   Feb 8, 2008 - 4:12 PM
- - x_itchy_b_x   ^ at that point I don't get the point of keepi...   Feb 8, 2008 - 4:14 PM
|- - RichieRichJP   QUOTE(x_itchy_b_x @ Feb 8, 2008 - 4...   Feb 10, 2008 - 9:35 AM
- - Silver94CelicaOwner   Manny, I personally would love to see a GT2871R en...   Feb 8, 2008 - 5:05 PM
- - 6strngs   I've got a few questions 1: will water coolin...   Feb 8, 2008 - 8:18 PM
|- - presure2   QUOTE(6strngs @ Feb 8, 2008 - 8:18 P...   Feb 9, 2008 - 6:40 AM
- - 808celica   lolz come 'on old people keep sharing the inf...   Feb 9, 2008 - 3:41 AM
- - 6strngs   thanks for the help. using the stickies, I've...   Feb 9, 2008 - 11:24 AM
|- - presure2   QUOTE(6strngs @ Feb 9, 2008 - 11:24 ...   Feb 9, 2008 - 12:09 PM
- - 6strngs   how would the same turbo but with the .48 A/R inst...   Feb 9, 2008 - 5:28 PM
|- - presure2   QUOTE(6strngs @ Feb 9, 2008 - 5:28 P...   Feb 9, 2008 - 10:08 PM
- - 6strngs   sounds good. I'm gonna order the 46 trim .63 A...   Feb 10, 2008 - 2:56 AM
- - 6strngs   turbo ordered! only a matter of weeks before t...   Feb 10, 2008 - 11:28 AM
- - presure2   i wouldnt trust a turbo that big NOT to creep with...   Feb 10, 2008 - 1:58 PM
- - 6strngs   so, turbo was shipped today, but it's gotta co...   Feb 11, 2008 - 12:29 AM
- - 6strngs   still waiting on parts. anyway, anyone have any gu...   Feb 14, 2008 - 1:39 AM
|- - presure2   QUOTE(6strngs @ Feb 14, 2008 - 1:39 ...   Feb 14, 2008 - 6:35 AM
|- - 6strngs   QUOTE(presure2 @ Feb 14, 2008 - 3:35...   Feb 14, 2008 - 10:23 AM
|- - presure2   QUOTE(6strngs @ Feb 14, 2008 - 10:23...   Feb 14, 2008 - 4:55 PM
- - 99GT   His fully built.   Feb 14, 2008 - 12:19 PM
- - RichieRichJP   I heard of someones being 750whp a couple years ba...   Feb 14, 2008 - 12:56 PM
- - 6strngs   I've got an AEM UEGO wideband. but I was plann...   Feb 14, 2008 - 5:19 PM
|- - presure2   QUOTE(6strngs @ Feb 14, 2008 - 5:19 ...   Feb 14, 2008 - 5:29 PM
- - 6strngs   dunno if they'll let me tune it myself on thei...   Feb 15, 2008 - 3:25 AM
- - Defgeph   I'd like to see the street brawler kit on a 5s...   Feb 16, 2008 - 1:37 PM
- - MaX   got a bit of a noob question here, what is the tr...   Mar 18, 2008 - 12:16 AM


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