7th generation Celica's, Your opinions Options

[williamsg4]

Hi, does anyone have an opinion on Celica's from year 2000 to 2005?? I'm thinking of getting one in the near future and i was wondering if anyone had driven or owned one.

[Kwanza26]

All of the people who are "claiming" 7th gens have problems are talking out of their asses. ALL CARS will have problems when they are DRIVEN LIKE CRAP. 7th gens are fine cars, significantly better in terms of performance, handling, fuel economy AND reliability compared to their 6th gen counterparts. Why are the 6gc people here such haters?

FIRST OFF... people's claims. The ONLY reliability claim that has any merit is the lift-bolt issue, which was repaired by 2002 and Toyota did issue a repair notice to all Dealers to replace the bolts at no cost if they have failed. This only happens to cars that have been throughly abused and doesn't happen often to regularly driven cars. Regardless... bolts cost a few cents... replacing them takes 10 minutes if you're half way competent...

SECOND... tranny issues. This is a crap claim. ALL CARS with ****TY DRIVERS can potentially mis-shift and kill a tranny or an engine... especially on motors that can spin near 9000 rpms. The Toyota C60 (7th gen Celica GTS 6 speed) is essentially the same tranny as the C160 (JDM AE111 Levin/Trueno) which is essentially the same tranny as the Toyota C50/C52/C54/C56 (5 speed manual on more cars than I care to count). This tranny has been in production since the mid 80's and is still being used in the new Yaris and Corollas... so what does that say about the reliability of this tranny? No tranny will last very long if you abuse it, but these are definitely some of the better.

Now... that aside... why all of the hate for the 7th gen? It's still a Celica! Is it because the performance engine works like Honda VTEC? You can't claim "torque"... go look at some dynos! Both GT and GTS regularly put down 110-120 ftlbs of torque at the wheels. The 6th gen GT beats this yes... by around 10 ft lbs... however it only beats it under 4500 rpms. The 7th gen GTS makes peak torque at freakin 6000+ rpms. In terms of racing and acceleration... 110-120 ftlbs of torque at 6000 rpms will move a car significantly faster than 120-130 ftlbs at 4500 rpms. When the numbers are this small, the typical stuck up "torque" argument is complete fallacy. If you're going to argue torque... at least be honest about it. 6gc GT makes more torque for stop-go driving (it'll feel faster around town at low speeds). Not for performance high-spirited driving. The 7gc Celicas (namely the GTS) make more torque for high-spirited driving... but can feel flat in terms of daily driving because the motor makes a very flat torque curve.

That's all. Those are the technical facts. Pick something you like and you will enjoy. Most of the people here haven't driven a big variety of cars to their max, or even near it, so they can only spill out the "gospel truth". Not facts.

[95st-celica]

Both GT and GTS regularly put down 110-120 ftlbs of torque at the wheels.

thats like sayin a GT and a GT...its the same thing...do you know what a GT-s stands for? its for the susspension...all a gt-s is for is for the suspension package and a few badge upgrades...just like a ws6 trans am compared to a regular t/a is basically the same or putting out equal amounts of hp....the GT's are still not that fast imo...from drivin a couple to racin one from 3rd on...i was keepin right up...still i like the style of them...i think it needs another makeover from the back end....nice cars all around but they need a better motor under the hood to back it up

btw....if your thinkin about gettin a car for the kind of money and you want fun and reliable...go with a ls1 camaro...or t/a...meanest, most fun in a car you could possiably have hands down

This post has been edited by 95st-celica: Feb 19, 2008 - 12:09 AM

[Kwanza26]

Both GT and GTS regularly put down 110-120 ftlbs of torque at the wheels.

thats like sayin a GT and a GT...its the same thing...do you know what a GT-s stands for? its for the susspension...all a gt-s is for is for the suspension package and a few badge upgrades...just like a ws6 trans am compared to a regular t/a is basically the same or putting out equal amounts of hp....the GT's are still not that fast imo...from drivin a couple to racin one from 3rd on...i was keepin right up...still i like the style of them...i think it needs another makeover from the back end....nice cars all around but they need a better motor under the hood to back it up

btw....if your thinkin about gettin a car for the kind of money and you want fun and reliable...go with a ls1 camaro...or t/a...meanest, most fun in a car you could possiably have hands down

Know what you're talking about before you quote me plz.

7th gen GT = 1ZZFE
7th gen GTS = 2ZZGE

Two DIFFERENT engines and about a 40 horsepower difference....

This post has been edited by Kwanza26: Feb 19, 2008 - 12:15 AM

[95st-celica]

Both GT and GTS regularly put down 110-120 ftlbs of torque at the wheels.

thats like sayin a GT and a GT...its the same thing...do you know what a GT-s stands for? its for the susspension...all a gt-s is for is for the suspension package and a few badge upgrades...just like a ws6 trans am compared to a regular t/a is basically the same or putting out equal amounts of hp....the GT's are still not that fast imo...from drivin a couple to racin one from 3rd on...i was keepin right up...still i like the style of them...i think it needs another makeover from the back end....nice cars all around but they need a better motor under the hood to back it up

btw....if your thinkin about gettin a car for the kind of money and you want fun and reliable...go with a ls1 camaro...or t/a...meanest, most fun in a car you could possiably have hands down

Know what you're talking about before you quote me plz.

7th gen GT = 1ZZFE
7th gen GTS = 2ZZGE

Two DIFFERENT engines and about a 40 horsepower difference....

your right...im worng....but this is one of the reasons i got out of the..."import" scene for a while...we are comparing 40 hp like its a huge deal...come on now....if you want somehing fast your gonna wanna go with a V8....maybe you dont like the style of them or whatever but they are very fast cars for the money bone stock....think about it...a stock 01 gt-s is running a 15.5 on a good day at the track....for what you would pay for one of those....why not go out and buy a stock trans am or camaro or mustang for that matter and be runnin low 14's?...i gotta love the honda guys talking about how they are gettin 20 more hp from an intake and stupid s*it like that...it's redicilous and its one of the reason i stayed away from this scene for a while.....i like the celica dont get me wrong....but when we start comparing gt's to Gt-s and saying how much faster the gt-s is caus it has an extra 40 hp is crazy....do yourself a favor and test drive a t/a...then come back and let me know what you think